to understand why some people have a problem with abortion?

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I am pro choice first of all, just to get that out of the way.

But what confuses me is that on many threads I have seen if someone in a tiny voice dares to admit that they might have a an anti abortion view they get jumped on pretty quickly.

But surely if someone belives from a purely emotion point that abortion is the ending of a life you can't change that view simply by calling them a woman hater or abusing them? I can understand how pro choice people don't see abortion as a feminst issue or a human rights issue at all and can't get past the view that it is just ending a life.

I am a vegan and I don't wear leather or fur. I see it as murder. I know other people do it (even my friends, husband and family) but for me it will always be murder. Its a purely emotional view that go against what the vast majority of the western world see as normal. But there is nothing any of you could ever say that would make me change my mind. So maybe I can empathise better than some?

My belief is that women need safe access to abortion, no one likes the idea of abortion butit needs to be avalaible because the alternatives would be devastating. Wouldn't it make sense to approach it from that point of view to someone who is anti abortion? Accept that the idea maybe abhorent (and that they arent wrong for feeling that way) but it is a basic human right to not be forced to pregnant and that for many reasons it is the best choice for the woman?

Who would do what is in differentname 's list?

ON I mean - good grief!

And "needing a bigger house" is a reason for an abortion?

We've moved a long way from rape and incest.

Do they take her to her appointments?
for part of my pregnancy I wasn't able to drive - spd made leg moevment too painful
Pay for her childcare while she goes to said appointments or babysit her children?
I had PE in my first pregnancy & preg related high BP in my second, so would have needed several appointments. I would have needed childcare for a 5yr old & a 5mth old
Buy her maternity wear?
Threw it all out after dd born
Buy her a bigger car?
I Would've needed one
Buy her a bigger house?
Ditto
Hold her hair back while she is sick?
All day sickness, for 9mths
Do her house work when she is incapable of moving due to huge bump/SPD etc
started at 16 weeks with dd2. Had to wear a support belt from 20 & could barely push a trolley, let alone run around doing housework
Do they rush to her side when her waters break?
didn't apply to me, had a section, but would they have driven me to the hospital at 6am
Do they get her to hospital?
See above
Look after her children while she is in labour?
or having surgery, and after, as sections kinda lay you up for a while
Look after the baby when she has to return to work?
if I had more I would no longer be able to be a sahm
Pay childcare fees?
Well? Would they pay for my child to be in childcare, as I would have to work if we had more

You get the idea. because that is what we would need to continue a pregnancy, would they have supported me through all of that?

MsTeak The only anger is at people like you, you are the ones who would like to force women to have unwanted babies. We don't want to decide other peoples lives, you do. How are you so blind as to what is being said, over and over and over?
Total rubbish. You talk about 'only anger' as if everybody in wider society agrees with your skewed opinion. This thread has, somewhat predictably, acted like a magnet for countless pro-abortion feminist nutcases who are taking it in turn to twist and manipulate Queenmary's comments. The views of such spiteful people are in no way representative of the public at large.

I am not citing the car & house as a reason for abortion, as you well know.
You are being deliberately obtuse.

If I was to have another baby, they are ALL the things I would need support for. And no, I don't think they would. No one would devote that time to a woman going through a pregnancy.

mdowdall - I asked you on the previous page and you ignored me, as did queenmary -

Do you - or should you - have the right to tell me what to do with my body?

And queenmary - who is providing all this support to all these 1000s of women, both physically and financially?

mdowdall, this feminist nutcase is awarding you your very own Golden Bigot Award. Enjoy in good health.

There are a number of pro life organisations, run on a shoestring, dependant on donations, which offer this kind of support.

Here's one of them:
(C&P)
www.goodcounselnet.co.uk/About-Good-Counsel.html

Calling people 'feminist nutcases' doesn't change anyone's opinions on the debate - and doesn't alter the fact that the rational law-makers in free countries like the UK deem abortion to be a right all women should have - so is, in fact, representative of the public at large.

What a load of tosh. You say you're a nurse and a midwife? You do realise that the risks of carrying pregnancy to term and birth are more important than these of termination performed in a proper environment?

I would like to know that too, 5dollar.

Because after my termination I had 2 sessions of follow up counselling (part of the hospital policy) at a pregnancy crisis clinic. I couldn't find anyone to have my daughter (6mths old at this point) and on ringing to say this & ask to rebook, I was told, that in no way was I to take her with me (can you imagine that, a baby in a pregnancy crisis centre, the thought never crossed my mind) that it wouldn't be a good idea. That there was no one to look after her. I would never have even contemplated it, but they were quick to make sure it didn't occur to me.

Yet, these are the same people who would do everything in post of 16:00 to help support me through pregnancy...

P.A.S.

Have you heard of PND by any chance?

No-one on this thread wants to force someone who doesn't want an abortion, to have one.

'Staff at The Good Counsel Network offer their time and work to Jesus through Mary.'

Seriously, offering a pack of nappies and a cup of tea doesn't equal doing all those things differentnameforthis mentioned.

What does it say for the Good Council, that my anti virus (bloody good & paid for) has recognised it as a threat?

mcdowell what do you have against feminists?

Physically, there are many threats to a woman?s future ability to carry a pregnancy to term. Miscarriages, ectopic pregnancies and sterility are often reported following abortions. Damage to the cervix, infections and heavy bleeding are common complications.

You're making me angry now, queenmary.

This is scare-mongering and NOT TRUE.

If you're genuinely so concerned about this - then let abortion be legal. These are the sorts of things which are more likely to happen when abortion is illegal and performed in less than optimal conditions.

I bypassed it. And it is full of emotional propaganda!

Over 70% of women saying their choice was instigated by someone else?

You know what. I believe in God & Jesus & all that entails. I am a Christian. But there is no way that the Lord will be paying 3 lots of school fees, babysitting for me when it all becomes too much or wiping up sick at 2am in the morning (as I was recently).

And neither will the people at the good council be. You are living in a different world.

I see the ever-prolific queenmary is back. Where does she find the time?

ROFL at "pro-feminist nutcases".

Btw Does anyone else find it odd that the pro-life posters are frequently congratulating themselves on their general marvellousness? Its one of the more bizarre features of this thread.

What Good counsel says they offer:

" We offer women practical help and moral support which they may need to keep their child, from accommodation and financial help, baby clothes and nappies, to friendship ongoing support, advice and planning for the future "

Winnybellas translation:

" a pack of nappies and a cup of tea "

And if they are offering their time and energy to women in crisis does it matter if it is "to Jesus through Mary", or Zeus?

" I am a Christian. But there is no way that the Lord will be paying 3 lots of school fees "

Abortion because you can't afford private school fees?

We speak to clients about God?s plan for them and their baby

OK, in my mind (how I got through it in some parts) was knowing that MY God, my Lord would not have sent me this challenge, with his plan being that I keep the baby. If He knew me, respected me, loved me, cared for me, as My God does His children, He would have known that my life didn't involve 3 children.

So his plan for me, was to challenge me, but ultimately he knew my plans for my life, so his plan for me & my baby was the same as mine. For it not to happen.

Queenmary - do you admit to scaremongering in your above post?

And you are STILL ignoring my earlier question.