to understand why some people have a problem with abortion?

[LolaRennt]

I am pro choice first of all, just to get that out of the way.

But what confuses me is that on many threads I have seen if someone in a tiny voice dares to admit that they might have a an anti abortion view they get jumped on pretty quickly.

But surely if someone belives from a purely emotion point that abortion is the ending of a life you can't change that view simply by calling them a woman hater or abusing them? I can understand how pro choice people don't see abortion as a feminst issue or a human rights issue at all and can't get past the view that it is just ending a life.

I am a vegan and I don't wear leather or fur. I see it as murder. I know other people do it (even my friends, husband and family) but for me it will always be murder. Its a purely emotional view that go against what the vast majority of the western world see as normal. But there is nothing any of you could ever say that would make me change my mind. So maybe I can empathise better than some?

My belief is that women need safe access to abortion, no one likes the idea of abortion butit needs to be avalaible because the alternatives would be devastating. Wouldn't it make sense to approach it from that point of view to someone who is anti abortion? Accept that the idea maybe abhorent (and that they arent wrong for feeling that way) but it is a basic human right to not be forced to pregnant and that for many reasons it is the best choice for the woman?

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" This is because, as an intelligent, emotionally mature person, her well-being outweighs that of a foetus who has none of these characteristics/capabilities just yet and because she cannot simply outsource the foetus to another, more willing host "

Nice
So the rights of the "intelligent and emotionally mature" trump those of others?
So what about the woman who quite rationally decides to kill her born child because she suffers with depression or her husband has lost his job?
Or her disabled youngster has become a bit of a handful? Can she insist that a doctor must kill him ?

so you believe life starts at conception and termination is wrong at anytime? i totally disagree with that and am thankful that the laws do not support that view but respect that is the views of some

but i think your choice of words is ridiculous and stupid

yes i mentioned mastitus. have you suffered from mastitus? have you suffered a birth complication? what about long term effects of childbirth? if so would you force that on anotehr woman?

and yes a woman can be forced to become pregnant. how idiotic to say she cant!!

and by making an abortion inaccesible, she is being forced to remain pregnant. again, idiotic to say this isn't the case.

"This whole post is about left wing lesbian feminist dogma"

back to the mature debating i see mdowdall?

lordy lord i am a lesbian now

well you must know there is nothing wrong with that :o not in 2011

There are cases where perfectly sensible women are using IUDs and the IUDs abort and the women thinks she is protected but isn't.

"^yes i mentioned mastitus. have you suffered from mastitus? have you suffered a birth complication? what about long term effects of childbirth? if so would you force that on anotehr woman?

and yes a woman can be forced to become pregnant. how idiotic to say she cant!!

and by making an abortion inaccesible, she is being forced to remain pregnant. again, idiotic to say this isn't the case^."

Yes i have suffered from mastitis!

I have "kinked" ducts and a consequent unforunate tendancy to develop mastitis.
After 6 babies I am well aquainted with mastitis.
But i can honestly say that never, in my worst moments, did it ever occur to me that someone would ever bring up the possibility of getting mastitis as a justification for having an abortion!
Incredible!

A little perspective please.

"But i can honestly say that never, in my worst moments, did it ever occur to me that someone would ever bring up the possibility of getting mastitis as a justification for having an abortion!"

one justification amongst many queeny. you seem to be ignoring the many others.

But isn't this the real issue? That different people would maybe make different decisions in other peoples circumstances? But in reality you can't make another persons decision for them?

Freud
" so you believe life starts at conception and termination is wrong at anytime? i totally disagree with that and am thankful that the laws do not support that view but respect that is the views of some "

Life most assuredly DOES begin at conception and the law does not disagree.

The law allows for the killing of unborn life, but the fact that it is life is indisputable and you are not free to disagree with a hard fact of science.
Well, allow me to clarify, you are free to disagree in the same way that you are free to disagree that the earth is a sphere.

And that might be the right decision for one person but wouldn't be for another?

Booyhoo
" one justification amongst many queeny. you seem to be ignoring the many others "

Yes. The mastitis reason is the one that jumped out at me, I can't deny it.
It makes a bit of a change from the usual insistence that all abortions are those performed on raped children or dying women.

What about a relationship that you realise isn't going anywhere at all - and the "father" would not be a good man to continue to have in your life?

so what about the other justifications queeny. lets talk about those. try the emotional and mental well-being of the woman?

" What about a relationship that you realise isn't going anywhere at all - and the "father" would not be a good man to continue to have in your life? "

Whatever17

I suppose the obvious answer that is meant to leap out at us is to kill the child
Well I don't think the most innocent party deserves the death penalty for it's parents crumbling relationship.
Call me narrow minded by all means.

yep that was badly worded. still the law supports women to have control over her body and to give her a choice. pro life does not

closed-minded i would say queeny. you aren't open to any opinion that doesn't tally with your own.

" so what about the other justifications queeny. lets talk about those. try the emotional and mental well-being of the woman? "

Plenty of time for those hoary old chestnuts Boohyhoo, no rush.
Anyway, they've been raked over on other threads.
I'm sure you have planty to say about how inhumane it is to "force" a woman to endure a pregnancy that might culminate in a nasty bout of mastitis.
Much less nasty to dismember the little live human being (parasite?) while it is still hidden away inside and we can pretend it's no biggie.

so you dont want to properly discuss it then? why are you here?

As you can see, I am losing the humour, charity and big hearted generosity for which I am renowned.
My patience is being taxed to it's uttermost limits.
I'm off to bed.

" so you dont want to properly discuss it then? why are you here? "

Oh I've raked over theose coals Boohyhoo.
I've raked over them very thoroughly.
The mastitis problem is a novelty however, and not one I've come across before.
I think it is you that doesn't want to discuss it properly.
And with that, I'm off up the wooden hill to bedfordshire.

Not every abortion is for unwanted pregnancy though so wouldn't view it as a parasite.

i think thats the best place for you.