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to think people should respect my choice of name?

332 replies

DuchessofPsmith · 11/06/2011 23:22

I'm a regular MNer, but am writing under an assumed name (and using more fake names) for what's about to be obvious reasons.

DP is in fact DH. We'd had a non-legal shindig a year after we met, and told everybody that's that. And part of that was because during my previous marriage I was driven nuts by a few assholes misguided friends who'd refused to accept I hadn't changed my name: that it was still "Ms Psmith" not "Mrs Ahmed", so I really wanted to avoid giving anbody a reason to get it wrong again.

DP and I thought a bit later that it might be both pleasing to his mum, and protecting for me if anything should happen to him, to do the legal thing, so we secretly married, inviting only our mutual best friend and DH's mum as witness. We made it clear to both of them that this was to be kept secret, and that my name would remain "Ms Psmith".

Within days, the old bat made me regret inviting her, making jokes about total strangers asking "which Mrs Jones?" (as if they'd know). And within a few months DP/H and I were getting [holiday] cards from her relatives addressed to "Mr and Mrs Jones".

A few years went by. DP/H in the meantime heard from his sister that MIL had blabbed to her as well, but it wasn't officially General Knowledge. DP/H of course explained why this was, and all the stuff you read above, i.e. to respect my name.

We got invited to a wedding in her neck of the family; I sent hand-written acceptances using our two names. So, I was a but surprised to see my dinner placecard written as not "Jane Psmith" but "Jane Jones".

We didn't let it ruin our evening (although the general white-trashiness of the event was worthy of a whole 'nother thread). We stayed through dinner but left before the disco (my being 8 months pregnant proved useful for escape). On our way out, during the goodbye and pleasantries with SIL, I handed her my placecard and said "I am certain I spelled my name correctly on my acceptance - could you please in due course pass on my disappointment to whomever was responsible for this that they chose not to respect my wishes."

DP/H's next phone call with his mother started with her launching right into "If you're ringing to apologise, you're too late and it won't be sufficient" because apparently I "went ballistic" and "ruined the bride's big day" (we'd said nothing about it to her - indeed, I made sure to tell SIL we weren't going to bother B&G with this!).

We have since had no apology either from MIL or SIL. The only thing SIL had to offer - and this is where you MNers come in! - is "well, since I know you're married, I assumed your name was changed".

AFTER THAT ENTIRE CONVERSATION HE'D HAD WITH HER?!? AFTER MY ACCEPTANCE NOTE IN MY NAME?!? AAARRRGGGHHH!

Moreover, I am now bothered by the thought that if what SIL perceives to be my "married name" (I am gagging even typing this) was used, does that mean she spread the secret further? How many people now know?

I actually felt compelled to look up the legality of it, and confirmed what I'd thought I'd known: that name change is voluntary and through usage - though marriage is one of the reasons one might do it, it is not automatic. There is no legal "name change fairy".

So I know leagally where I stand, but what's general consensus? Looking forward to your thoughts.

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PinotGrigiosKittens · 12/06/2011 14:46

This thread has it all!

A precious OP, a pregnancy, feminism, a new word (hustner), a scattering of offensive namecalling, a sock-puppet name change fail and then a holier-than-thou "you're all barrrrrstards for mocking" ending. We even had a smidge of racism being banded about.

MN sure beats doing the housework Wink

LadyBeagleEyes · 12/06/2011 14:49

I don't think OP is coming back so I'll never find out what happens at a legal shindig Sad

PinotGrigiosKittens · 12/06/2011 14:53

LadyBeagle - I bet theres lots of balloons and streamers and jelly with hundreds and thousands Grin

I may be wrong.

DontGoCurly · 12/06/2011 15:00

Non-legal shindig, the non-groom and non-bride have no drinks and no food. Nobody comes and nobody gives any presents....no Mothers wear no hats and nobody sniffles at the non ceremony. No DJ plays any music and the Dancefloor is not cleared at 11 o'clock for the non-fight. Nobody sings in the Residents bar until 6 in the morning.

Everyone is non-plussed.

Shakirasma · 12/06/2011 15:05

OP YABVU to be so precious about this!

Loads of people keep their own name after marriage. It's not a big deal if people make assumptions about it as it's the norm to change it. If it irritates you, correct them.

But to keep your marriage secret just so people don't use the wrong surname is odd and precious. What the he'll is wrong with you?? I am proud to be my husbands wife. Is your DH not offended that you want hide your marriage to him? I know mine would be, as would I if he wanted to!

Either he has the patience of a saint or he is totally under the thumb.

I think his family do it deliberately because they don't like you. They don't like you because you are snotty and by going to such extremes to avoid being called their family name you offend them

HavePatience · 12/06/2011 15:25

It's too bad that a lot of people won't accept that some women want to keep their name after they have been married, but there is nothing you can do about that.

Do you lack self confidence? Why can't you just be confident that you have chosen to be married and keep your name and when anyone addresses things to "Mr and Mrs Jones" just shrug it off. If someone addresses you in person as Mrs. Jones, you can politely say, "oh, I'm Ms. X :)"
But to complain about a placecard at a wedding is very childish and self centred.

Sometimes in life, you just have to let some things go, and be confident in who you are and your own decisions and choices for yourself. You can't make everyone else act in the way in which you want. I'm teaching my 2 year old this very thing right now.

PatriciatheStripper · 12/06/2011 15:29

"Moreover, I am now bothered by the thought that if what SIL perceives to be my "married name" (I am gagging even typing this) was used, does that mean she spread the secret further?"

I'm guessing the OP's married name is Blowjob :o

diddl · 12/06/2011 15:32

I don´t know why OP doesn´t want to be known by her married name at all.

But I wouldn´t really expect a married person to be absolutely outraged at being called by their married name tbh.

And if a friend was married & known professionally as her maiden name still, I would probably address letters/invitations to "Mr & Mrs"

ZombiePlan · 12/06/2011 15:35

YANBU to want to keep your maiden name.

I don't think you approached things particularly well at the wedding, to say the least, but is that because you felt that they had done this deliberately? Do your DH's family have form for this sort of thing? If I felt someone was Making A Point to me, I would probably be a lot sharper with them than if I thought they'd just cocked up, iyswim.

ceres · 12/06/2011 15:55

i am married but didn't change my name. i don't have a 'married' name or a 'maiden' name, i just have my name.

if anyone mistakenly calls me by my husband's name, or calls my husband by my name, i simply explain that he is john smith and i am mary jones. it has never caused an issue.

pineapple70 · 12/06/2011 16:05

Good God, what a stupid fuss! I'm married, didn't change my name and people often get it wrong and assume I have my DH's name. I don't have a tantrum over it.
Who cares!
I'd have said that there's obviously not much going on in OP's life, but she said she was pg. I'd say concentrate on that and chill out a bit...

lisianthus · 12/06/2011 16:18

YANBU. It's a shame your inlaws can't respect your decision to keep your name. You mentioned it perfectly politely at the wedding and you should have received an apology. FWIW, I was on the other side of this once, as I accidentally got one of my guests' names wrong on a place card at my wedding. When the guest pointed this out to me I was (rightly) mortified and sincerely apologised.

Getting someone's name right is basic courtesy.

StayingDavidTennantsGirl · 12/06/2011 16:34

Hullygully - the thread opened with this stunning example of rudeness from the op, when she spoke to her SIL (the bride's mother and therefore her hostess) on her way out of the reception, and said:

"I am certain I spelled my name correctly on my acceptance - could you please in due course pass on my disappointment to whomever was responsible for this that they chose not to respect my wishes."

Regardless of choice of surname, title, type of wedding, pay bar, whatever - it was beyond rude, thoughtless and self-centred for her to have said this at the reception.

StayingDavidTennantsGirl · 12/06/2011 16:36

Lisianthus - if someone had spelled my name wrong on a placecard at their wedding, I would have let it go. I certainly wouldn't think that someone's big day is an appropriate time for nitpicking. I'd put the bride's happiness and enjoyment of the day above any miff I felt about a misspelled name or the wrong surname. That's manners.

Making someone feel mortified at their own wedding for such a small mistake is a horrible thing to do, in my book.

muminthemiddle · 12/06/2011 16:39

If the op was married before and had all the messing around of changing back to her maiden name, then yes I understand why she does not want to ever have to go through that again.
I still think keeping your wedding a secret is odd though. I feel sorry for the mil actually having to keep it a secret and not be able to tell anyone about the good news. Imagine going shopping with a friend for a new hat and when the friend asks why you are buying the hat having to make up an excuse!

LolaRennt · 12/06/2011 16:41

SIL was unreasonable to use wrong name. Maybe she thought she was being cute since it was a wedding.

You were being unreasonable to bitch at her on her wedding day, it could have been MIL who made the cards for all you know.

And you were very unreasonable to call her wedding white trash. I suspect this has been said in the previous 12 pages but thought I woudl get my bit in :)

izzywhizzyletsgetbusy · 12/06/2011 17:36

xstitch I've been dabbling in genealogy and, particularly where a maiden surname is common, I doubt that I'd have been able to establish the date of death of some female relatives if they had not been registered in their husbands' surnames.

I'd very much appreciate a registrar or other similarly knowledgeable individual setting out the current legal requirement in respect of the surname that is entered in the Registers where a divorced woman remarries or dies, or where a married woman retains her maiden surname throughout her life.

Anyone into programme commissioning? If so, may I put forward the notion of 'My Big Fat White Trash Wedding'?

IMO, the OP would have been better advised to have had an enormous BFWTW as the invitations could have stated in bold type* that after the ceremony the bride will be retaining her maiden surname, thus making it clear to one and all while helpfully providing a suitably divisive subject for the obligatory fisticuffs during the course of the festivities.

*or tanned, yellow, red, brown, black, etc as appropriate.

xstitch · 12/06/2011 17:46

The cross referencing is very useful in genealogy izzywhizzy and ime our ancestors weren't really so different from ourselves.

izzywhizzyletsgetbusy · 12/06/2011 18:06

Ahhh, that explains it xstitch. The OP is descended from a long line of self-righteous prats who were devoid of the courtesy and humour genes.

Journey · 12/06/2011 18:14

I think the post is weird. Why would someone be so intense and petty about a name? The whole thing is just odd.

bufforpingtonchick · 12/06/2011 18:34

Has anyone noticed the second sock puppet yet?

:-) --- clue

nancydrewfoundaclue · 12/06/2011 18:46

I guess spu the OP wont be coming back anytime soon Grin

LadyBeagleEyes · 12/06/2011 18:50

No, buffo, who's the second sock puppet .
Can I have another clue please?

GwendolineMaryLacey · 12/06/2011 18:50

:-) buffer

GwendolineMaryLacey · 12/06/2011 18:51

Well that abbreviation of a user name went tits up, didn't it Blush. Sorry bufforpingtonchick!

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