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to think people should respect my choice of name?

332 replies

DuchessofPsmith · 11/06/2011 23:22

I'm a regular MNer, but am writing under an assumed name (and using more fake names) for what's about to be obvious reasons.

DP is in fact DH. We'd had a non-legal shindig a year after we met, and told everybody that's that. And part of that was because during my previous marriage I was driven nuts by a few assholes misguided friends who'd refused to accept I hadn't changed my name: that it was still "Ms Psmith" not "Mrs Ahmed", so I really wanted to avoid giving anbody a reason to get it wrong again.

DP and I thought a bit later that it might be both pleasing to his mum, and protecting for me if anything should happen to him, to do the legal thing, so we secretly married, inviting only our mutual best friend and DH's mum as witness. We made it clear to both of them that this was to be kept secret, and that my name would remain "Ms Psmith".

Within days, the old bat made me regret inviting her, making jokes about total strangers asking "which Mrs Jones?" (as if they'd know). And within a few months DP/H and I were getting [holiday] cards from her relatives addressed to "Mr and Mrs Jones".

A few years went by. DP/H in the meantime heard from his sister that MIL had blabbed to her as well, but it wasn't officially General Knowledge. DP/H of course explained why this was, and all the stuff you read above, i.e. to respect my name.

We got invited to a wedding in her neck of the family; I sent hand-written acceptances using our two names. So, I was a but surprised to see my dinner placecard written as not "Jane Psmith" but "Jane Jones".

We didn't let it ruin our evening (although the general white-trashiness of the event was worthy of a whole 'nother thread). We stayed through dinner but left before the disco (my being 8 months pregnant proved useful for escape). On our way out, during the goodbye and pleasantries with SIL, I handed her my placecard and said "I am certain I spelled my name correctly on my acceptance - could you please in due course pass on my disappointment to whomever was responsible for this that they chose not to respect my wishes."

DP/H's next phone call with his mother started with her launching right into "If you're ringing to apologise, you're too late and it won't be sufficient" because apparently I "went ballistic" and "ruined the bride's big day" (we'd said nothing about it to her - indeed, I made sure to tell SIL we weren't going to bother B&G with this!).

We have since had no apology either from MIL or SIL. The only thing SIL had to offer - and this is where you MNers come in! - is "well, since I know you're married, I assumed your name was changed".

AFTER THAT ENTIRE CONVERSATION HE'D HAD WITH HER?!? AFTER MY ACCEPTANCE NOTE IN MY NAME?!? AAARRRGGGHHH!

Moreover, I am now bothered by the thought that if what SIL perceives to be my "married name" (I am gagging even typing this) was used, does that mean she spread the secret further? How many people now know?

I actually felt compelled to look up the legality of it, and confirmed what I'd thought I'd known: that name change is voluntary and through usage - though marriage is one of the reasons one might do it, it is not automatic. There is no legal "name change fairy".

So I know leagally where I stand, but what's general consensus? Looking forward to your thoughts.

OP posts:
hairylights · 12/06/2011 11:34

You should apologise to your sil for being so bloody rude to her ... Whats it
Got to do with her how your name was wrong in the place card
and why is it such a big deal?

All my life people have spelled both my first name and my sir name wrong. It's a bummer but I'd be a very wound up person if I let it bother me.

NorksAkimbo · 12/06/2011 11:35

I do understand to some degree; my surname is now Myname Hisname without a hyphen, and it confuses the life out of people, and can be slightly frustrating, especially since double barrelling doesn't seem terribly UNcommon.

But...in the grand scheme of things, who cares??? I have both names, and I'm not really too bothered about which one people use. My DH and my DCs have DH's surname, and I like sharing that with them.
I have occasionally corrected people (mostly about the hyphen), but I would NEVER kick up such a fuss at an event such as a wedding...that's just ridiculous and precious, imo.

lifechanger · 12/06/2011 11:37

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DreamingOfABump · 12/06/2011 11:37

yabu and strangely self important. Who gives a rats arse what was written on a placecard at a wedding? why would you bother to mention it (however nicely) and possibly stir up trouble at someones wedding. Im guessing people are writing husbands name as a way of showing that they are hurt (and probably confused like me) as to why you felt it necessary to have a secret wedding.

Just dont get why you would think its of this much interest to the world. If you had just said to people that you were having a low key wedding, and plan to keep your own name i dont think there would have been isues. I think you have made a big deal out of nothing by your own actions. Odd squad.

Nanny0gg · 12/06/2011 11:37

Which name is the baby going to use?

LadyBeagleEyes · 12/06/2011 11:40

I still want to know what the fuck a non legal shindig is.
If Op or Ifoundoutlater come back, can they let me know please.

kiki22 · 12/06/2011 11:40

i think you sound like you quite like the drama and attention tbh, the fact you had a secret wedding when everyone knows something like thats not going to be a secret for long and you like to make a big song n dance about it shows how much you seem to enjoy it...

also calling others white trash when you clearly have no manners is a bit of a cheek you just sound stuck up so stuck up you can't even see it yourself. I feel sorry for your HUSBAND as your clearly making things hard for him with no regard for his or anyone elses feelings but your own sense of self importance!

harpfairy · 12/06/2011 11:47

YANBU to keep your own name and want people to use it - but to make an issue over it at a wedding? Shock you sound very high maintenance - and the ultimate nightmare in law.
You seriously need to apologise to your inlaws. And acquire a bit of grace and dignity.
[wanders off shaking head and muttering]

Fifis25StottieCakes · 12/06/2011 11:47

Reading the ops posts again she has only mentioned the name error once but the 'white trash wedding' loads of times. I think the OP sounds a tad jealous of the 'white trash' wedding IMO.

eurochick · 12/06/2011 11:49

This is all v odd. I kept my name after marriage and feel strongly about not name changing but there is no need to make a fuss. The first Xmas we had one Xmas card from his mum addressed to Mr & Mrs Hisname and one from an aunt of mine addressed similarly. I asked hubby to put his mum straight (I can't believe he didn't tell her before the wedding) and my mum told the aunt. There is really no need to make a fuss about these things. I certainly wouldn't have made a fuss at someone else's wedding about a silly placecard! OP needs to get over herself.

shesparkles · 12/06/2011 11:49

OP I wish I had your problems.....I really do....

I just don't get it, all you need to do if someone calls you by your husband's name is to gently say "I kept my own name"

My forename can be shortened into a few forms, one of which I don't like. If someone does that, all I do is POLITELY say "I don't like to be called that, could you please just call me she-sparkles"-never had an issue yet, and people are in the main apologetic

SeymoreButts · 12/06/2011 12:00

So, I was a but surprised to see my dinner placecard written as not "Jane Psmith" but "Jane Jones".

We didn't let it ruin our evening

Phnar, phnar!

I have stepped into twilight zone.

Confused
MigratingCoconuts · 12/06/2011 12:11

I'm actually really shocked at how many unpleasant and personal posts have been made here. This is really rude and kind of ironic given the fact that many of them are attacking op for being rude.

I don't think op is being at all unreasonable but I do think it sounds like you got married by necessity rather than choice and that you are finding it hard to get your own head round that.

I'm sorry for the abuse you have suffered here and wish you luck in sorting this out. Clearly your inlawsa do not understand the choices you have made at all.

ledkr · 12/06/2011 12:25

seymorebutts pmsl Grin
ill be back in the morning after my coffeehaha op sounds a bit of a control freak to me. Lighten up Ms Jones.

GwendolineMaryLacey · 12/06/2011 12:32

Isn't she back yet in whichever of her guises she chooses? I was looking forward to the next installment. :)

nijinsky · 12/06/2011 12:33

Deliberately using your husband's surname is irritating, but easily enough corrected in future by taking the lead and telling people firmly enough. Generally its easier to stick to your maiden name if you are known in a professional sense by it as well.

Keeping the fact you are married a secret from your nearest and dearest is just plain odd, precious and possibly immature (can you not accept the fact that you're married?).

You have created a huge fuss out of something that everyone else copes with, and thus drawn a great deal of attention to yourself.

You seem to regard your surname as more important than your marriage and the feelings or your nearest and dearest.

soverylucky · 12/06/2011 12:37

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MarianneM · 12/06/2011 12:47

Only read the first page, but this sounds like a wind-up. No-one can be that silly and self-obsessed surely?

That has got to be a joke:

"On our way out, during the goodbye and pleasantries with SIL, I handed her my placecard and said "I am certain I spelled my name correctly on my acceptance - could you please in due course pass on my disappointment to whomever was responsible for this that they chose not to respect my wishes."

xstitch · 12/06/2011 13:04

YANBU to decide to keep your maiden name. However gagging at the concept of married name is a little extreme. I think you sound like you came across rather bitchy at the wedding so can't really take the moral high ground if you are going to behave like that. Nothing wrong with saying every time you are referred to as Mrs Jones to say actually it Miss Smith is fine but there is a way to do it.

I understand in how it can be annoying depending on the persons reactions. I was told off on Friday fro returning to my maiden name after divorce , was actually told I was being unreasonable and that annoyed me however accidentally being called Mrs former married name doesn't offend me to the same degree even though it associates me with a raping, bullying bastard. For you accidentally being called Mrs Jones associates you with the man you love.

As to certificates I have studied my family tree and IME Scottish certificates tend to give all former names a woman has had in the form of Mary Smith, formaly Jones nee Macdonald or something to that effect, will name all the spouses former names on a man's death certificate and a child's birth certificate too. In balance a man's deth certificate will say spouse of x then list former wives after that. I don't know if it may have started to change now but when my cousin died a few years ago it said death of x spouse of Ann x, formerly Ann Y, nee w. This was despite her objections. Her name is not Ann btw just trying to anonomise it.

Clytaemnestra · 12/06/2011 13:04

I can just imagine the OP picking the offending placecard up delicately between thumb and finger, wrinkling her nose a little at the smell, and dropping it into her bag, just waiting for the opportunity to make her point to SIL. And the little halo of smugness around her as she swept out.

Does it not bother you that you DH's family think you're an unpleasant snob? Or is the fact that you are "legally" in the right enough comfort for you? Sure your DC will be glad that you've fallen out with half of his/her relatives and they don't see them on point of principle.

fanjolamps · 12/06/2011 13:12

More self absorbed than 4 sheets of bounty over a puddle of piss

StayingDavidTennantsGirl · 12/06/2011 13:16

Duchessofpsmith - it was very rude of you to comment on the placecard to the bride's mother (and your hostess, I assume) on your way out of the wedding. She was enjoying her daughter's day after all the stress of organising a big wedding - and was probably breathing a sigh of relief that it had all gone according to plan - and you had to spoil it with your nasty comment.

I don't think there was any excuse for you to do what you did when you did it. You should have waited until after the wedding and approached the matter with everyone who is calling you MrsPJones/not respecting your choice of surname and title. It was utterly out of order, unneccessary and unkind for you to do it in the middle of the wedding festivities. The bride and groom's celebrations, and the happiness of the mother of the bride should have mattered more to you than your irritation at the wrong surname on a placecard.

Your MIL and SIL are right - you owe them an apology.

MigratingCoconuts · 12/06/2011 13:17

am now hiding this thread...it is really too unpleasant to be a part of...

muminthemiddle · 12/06/2011 13:19

Regarding keeping your maiden name-YANBU, absolutely fine and everyone should respect that.

Regarding your secret wedding -YANBU.
BUT expecting your mil not to ever tell anyone that her son has got married?????????????????? YABVVU. He is her son fgs.
Do you want her not to tell anyone that she is going to be a grandmother too?

Regarding the wedding place card YABU-ok the bride and groom possibly made an assumption that since you are a married couple then you might possibly have the same surname. Otherwise there are lots of times when I don't know someones surname, I do however know their child's surname so that is all I have to go on.
Anyway I think you were rude with your choice of words.
I also think it is perfectly acceptable to hold a wedding and expect the guests to pay for their own drinks.

GabbyLoggon · 12/06/2011 13:22

fascinating...but has me puzzled