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to think that MN is descending into class war?

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Hullygully · 08/06/2011 20:54

Today I have read a comment that someone's potential home looks like "a council house on a sink estate," seen a debate about "chav fashion," vile comments about "Poor Kids" etc and seen numerous threads over the past few days where people fight to gang up together against the infesting lower orders with their bad grammar, poor articulation, txt spk and poor spelling.

WTF people?

It is snobbery. Nothing else.

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Chen23 · 09/06/2011 11:15

Claig, the Daily Mail is a bigoted comic, created purely to enforce the cognitive dissonance in it's readership who seem to enjoy having their blood pressure raised by the disingenuous crap it publishes.

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Hullygully · 09/06/2011 11:15

Rightyo, lovely.

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claig · 09/06/2011 11:17

'the cognitive dissonance in it's readership'

but at least they know their its from their ...

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Hullygully · 09/06/2011 11:18

tits?

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claig · 09/06/2011 11:19

where is the lurve for Daily Mail readers? Why is there this vicious, unwarranted class war against the Daily Mail and its loyal, faithful readership?

claig · 09/06/2011 11:20

no, from their "it's"

Laquitar · 09/06/2011 11:20

'education has become about your cv and has fuck all to do with learning'.

I totally agree with this and the rest of your post.

CeliaDeBohun · 09/06/2011 11:21

And we have made learning a trade the thick option which is just fucking ridiculous.

That really irks me as well. Though it's not a new thing, academic achievement has always been more respected than practical skills, however tricky they are to master. Silly, because people with a trade will always be employable and that's not something you can say for all white collar professionals, degree or no degree.

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Hullygully · 09/06/2011 11:23

It was a joke, Claig..

I like DM readers. My stepmother reads it and when we go to see her she puffs up with outrage and tells us about all the asylum seekers who have stiolen the crown jewels etc. When we gently ask her if she read it in the DM, she goes all red.

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exhausted2011 · 09/06/2011 11:24

yes, it's not very nice

FreeButtonBee · 09/06/2011 11:29

I hate people putting others down. I hate text speak but would never comment on it. I hate people who comment on the misspelling or grammar in posters, particularly when it is used to infer that the poster is uneducated or ignorant and therefore their opinion should be discounted

I think snobbery and inverse snobbery are both bad. I can have seen some pretty awful sneering at 'chavs' and I think it's terrible. Really really terrible and unnecessary and unkind.

Inverse snobbery - actually, personally I have found it to have a massive chilling factor on what I am prepared to post on here because I think that I would immediately be cut to shreds simply on the basis of the issue (which might be perceived to be a MC issue) and so I should just suck it up/remember that other people don't have that luxury etc etc etc.

Somehow those perceived as MC (and I have no doubt that I would be perceived as such even though I am a NI Catholic born in the 70s and that defines me in a way that WC/MC/UC definition never could) are supposed to think of every one else in the world before they post. Frankly I don't want to do that all the bloody time so I don't post on certain issues. Which does make me a bit sad because there is a lot of support on MN; I just feel that I would be given less of a share.

So I agree with the Hully love-in generally but would like it extended across the board. Peace and love.

Chen23 · 09/06/2011 11:30

I can understand people reading the Mail for it's gossip content (even if it is usually prurient, hypocritical moralising crap) but to pretend it's a legitimate news source is pushing it imo.

FreeButtonBee · 09/06/2011 11:34

Actually, I think the trade is being reclaimed by the MCs. I know a fair few folk who have said sod it to the 3 years of drinking and debt and become eg carpenters/craftsmen/gardeners etc. One guy started cutting his granny's grass and now employs 4 people and creates garden sculptures for hotels and the like.

IntergalacticHussy · 09/06/2011 11:35

you can't generalise. if i'm engaging in class warfare then it'll always be from the opposite point of view as i'm proud to call myself socialist. We're all different; mumsnet has middle class snobs and commies and pretty much everything in between.

Fifis25StottieCakes · 09/06/2011 11:38

Celia - one of my brother left school with crap GCSE's, he was hardly there. He got an apprenticship at Volvo as a diesiel machanic. Hes 23 now, qualified and on good money, more than anyone ever though he would achieve and is employable in many trades. He could go on the rigs if the work at home dries up. He has saved 7k towards a deposit on a house and has his own car.

His friend along the street went to Uni for years, got a masters and has no job. He lives with his mam and she supports him

thaigreencurry · 09/06/2011 11:44

Its not just on MN its happening in rl too. I live in a very middle class area, I loved it when we first arrived here but now I'm getting to know the people I'm not so happy, I'm actually quite depressed.

I overheard a man bashing my sons primary school, he wanted to avoid the secondary school that it feeds into because there are too many kids from my son's school that go there. My sons school has a very good OFSTED so I can only assume that he has a problem with the council estate that it is housed next to.

One mother was aghast that I haven't made any provisions for our childrens potential university fees. We haven't made any provisions because we don't have any money but she is so wrapped up in her own middle class bubble that she doesn't realise that not everyone has inheritance and deposits on London flats paid for them. People wrongly assume that dh and I are middle class and they openly bash the lower classes and have no empathy for people that haven't been born with silver spoons in their mouths.

It is happening at the other end too. I challenged my niece and her friend for making some vile comments about a youth orchestra the other day. They seemed to have a real hatred towards these teenagers because they perceived them as being "posh".

I worry for my sons as I don't suppose we are either working or middle class so they could end up being despised by everyone!

Laquitar · 09/06/2011 11:48

freeButton, you are right. There was another house thread few days ago where OP got flamed for saying she was buying a 500K (in London) house 'for now'.

House threads do something to people....

Primalscream · 09/06/2011 11:48

The daily mail is the most talked about and linked to newspaper on Mumsnet - more people should 'out' themselves - there's really nothing to be ashamed of.

BelleDameSansMerci · 09/06/2011 11:50

Pag you've really expressed everything I think and feel about this perfectly.

Hully

CeliaDeBohun · 09/06/2011 11:50

Exactly, FreeButtonBee and Fifis! My DP is a carpenter/builder/mechanic/chef who can also do painting and decorating and is also trained in spraying cars. He has never, ever been unemployed. I'd much rather our DS learned a well paying trade than went to university, given the levels of debt that graduates end up with these days.

Ormirian · 09/06/2011 11:51

hully - you are usually right and in this case you are 199% right.

Snobbery is the ugly face of insecurity. And it needs punching.

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Hullygully · 09/06/2011 11:52

Why thank you Orm

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Ormirian · 09/06/2011 11:53

BTW that last post excludes people who object to poor grammar and text speak. They are not snobs but Upholders of Acceptable Standards!

Ormirian · 09/06/2011 11:56

Sorry hully

Fifis25StottieCakes · 09/06/2011 11:56

I know what i will be doing with my dd's as well celia. Lets hope its all true and they are going to concentrate on providing apprenticeships places for school leavers

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