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jbcbj · 08/06/2011 15:12

I am posting here because I know this gets more traffic than anywhere else, and also because I know I will get genuine points of view - which is what I want right now. I have support at home, but of course they are all on my side and I really want some impartial comments (if possible, from any male MNers as well?)

I will try to be as factual and accurate as I can rather than biased in my own direction. Tricky though...

I always believed that DH and I were meant to be together, but about 6 weeks ago he told me that he was no longer sure that he loved me any more. He likes me, cares for me and fancies me but it's "the love thing" (I quote him). He felt that our marriage has been cold for the last 18 months - for me, this was a total shock as it was the first I knew of it.

As background, we have been married for 3 1/2 years, together for 5, have a 2.2 year old dd and a 3 month old ds. He felt that my style of parenting was too child-centred (I carry them in slings, keep them in our room - although not full-time co-sleep - and full-term breastfeed). He felt that I no longer loved him and this chipped away at his love for me until he realised that it had gone. I have tried to reassure him that I love him more than anything, and that I was struggling with a young child, return to work, difficulties and chronic pain breastfeeding and then a second - not easy - pregnancy and birth.

He felt that intimacy had gone (we had had sex a few times but he has a very high sex drive) - from my pov we couldn't be physical without the pressure to have sex, so I think subconsciously I avoided it. We have always done a lot of cuddling etc though, and I have always told him I loved him every day.

Since he told me, we have been going to Relate and trying to be more physical but he says that "the love thing" is not coming back - I am worried that he is expecting to wake up one morning to find it suddenly reappeared, or that he is not allowing himself to feel it. I don't know - which is why I would like other viewpoints.

I am aware that it is difficult to know the whole story (even I don't!) and therefore difficult to pass judgment, but is it common to assume that a wife in a fug of exhaustion and discomfort no longer loves you? And for it to then stop you loving her? Has anyone else been through this and did they get the feelings back - how?

My DH is a lovely, warm, funny man but seems very angry - it's like treading on eggshells. He can't tell me that he wants our marriage to continue, or that he doesn't. His actions say one thing and his words another - we still get on very very well and he treats me really well, but calls me cold. I am also a nice person, and also warm....I just tend to retreat when things get hard and put effort into not letting it show. We know that communication is an issue, and are working on that, but "the love thing" is the real sticking point - apparently this has happened in two previous relationships and they did not last. I feel very much that he blames me, though.

If anyone can shed light on where he is coming from to help me understand and try to fix this I would be so grateful.

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jbcbj · 08/06/2011 20:35

unsurerightnow - i am so sorry to hear that, it must have been a dreadful time for you. i know there is every possibility that i am being naive, stupid, not seeing what's under my nose etc, but i can only hope. i'm not sure when he would find the time though...

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jbcbj · 08/06/2011 20:36

anyfucker - why? genuinely curious as to your take on it...

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TheCrackFox · 08/06/2011 20:40

jbcbj - I don't want to upset you but you might have to confront the fact that your marriage might not be fixable. Sorry. So be on the safe side you need to find out just how much you are entitled to. You can get a free half hour consultation with a lawyer.

OldMacEIEIO · 08/06/2011 20:43

OP
It it was nail on head, there would be other things as well. Sometimes he is brilliant, cant do enough, lots of little nice touches. Unexpected choccies or flowers, or hoovering. Thats when he's had his nuts or a tug.
I dont think he feels left out, or pushed out, I dont think he wants to lose you two.
So, if we think thats the problem, purely sex, what to do about it ?

Mumcentreplus · 08/06/2011 20:43

jbcbj that's the thing even if you are the most enlightened couple in the world before marriage expectations are never totally discussed and reactions are never apparent until they happen...but you need to tell him about how you feel about his reaction and he has to be honest enough to look at where his feelings are coming from...it takes time..my DH was a right wanker but he did not realize this until he had thought deeply about what I was going through..

AnyFucker · 08/06/2011 20:53

Your approach to bringing up (his) children is too "child centred"

He "loves you but isn't in love with you"

He is jealous of your love for your children and manifests his feelings about this as you withdrawing your love for him

You tread on eggshells, fear his reaction and try to alter your own behaviour to "please him"

He called time on previous relationships when it appeared he was no longer "feeling the love"

You feel unable to show your true feelings (I would be screaming at him to fuck right off if he didn't like it)

He tries to say it is you withdrawing intimcacy, but actually, if you examine his actions it is him and his protestations that "you no longer love him" are his justifications for that

he is giving himself permission for something...that which has already happened, or something which is under way

he is trying to be the good guy, by being nice and going through the motions of Relate so he can keep his blameless conscience as the good guy who "tried hard" (but actually didn't tell his wife exactly what she was up against)

textbook, all of it, I am very sorry

jbcbj · 08/06/2011 20:53

thecrackfox - not upsetting me at all, it is certainly something i've considered (ok, and run from, but i don't have my head in the sand). thank you for the advice; i hope i won't need it though! Wink

oldmac - he has said that lack of intimacy is more of a problem - how do i get that back, given that surely sex should be the result of intimacy, not the prelude?

mumcentreplus - so you are a success story? Smile

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jbcbj · 08/06/2011 20:57

anyfucker - when it's laid out like that it does look crap. i'm really up against it, aren't i? i have to keep trying though but part of that has to be communicating what i feel better. if he throws this away that's his choice - it will never be mine.

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Mumcentreplus · 08/06/2011 20:59

well I suppose..he came to his senses..lol... realised how much he'd fucked up and made amends...he was actually a very hands on father but he was also a spoilt brat and I told him so..our situation was very similar 2 DCs born a year apart ex bf..

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OldMacEIEIO · 08/06/2011 20:59

intimacy leads to sex - for you
sex is intimacy - for him

UnsureRightNow · 08/06/2011 21:01

What AnyFucker said. It really is textbook. I would second what TheCrackFox said and speak to a solicitor so you know your options.

I too thought my XH couldn't possibly have time to have an affair/wouldn't ever do such a thing blah de blah what you are saying is almost verbatum what I said on here 3 years ago www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/497586-how-am-i-going-to-get-through-this-long-post

I know you won't take on board what I am saying - I didn't when it was me. Please do take care of yourself though. Don't let him make you think for one minute this is about you or your behaviour. It isn't.

AnyFucker · 08/06/2011 21:02

OP, all I did was re-package what you yourself have said on this thread

you need to talk to him, and find out what is really going on here

it's a shame that Relate doesn't appear to be meeting that need, tbh

although people don't always tell the truth in counselling, because they aren't telling the truth to themselves

Mumcentreplus · 08/06/2011 21:05

exactly AF it's what he says to himself!...he needs to be forthright and honest about where his feelings are coming from...

AnyFucker · 08/06/2011 21:10

I always find it it a terrible shame that post-partum women blame themselves when their husbands get their noses pushed out of joint once children come along and take the focus off the man of the house (said disparagingly)

sometimes they do that because their husbands are selfish manipulators who never really grew up

is your husband one of those, OP ?

is he an inadequate man who is jealous of his own children ?

that is how he is coming across

whether or not there is an OW on the scene, he sounds like an immature and emotionally-stunted person, someone quite likely to look for validation outside of a partnership that no longer recognises him as the most inportant part of it

jbcbj · 08/06/2011 21:12

inthenightkitchen - thank you for your post, a lot of it rings true and i really hope you are right.

unsurerightnow - i can't take it on board, i really can't think about that possibility. but if it does happen then i know that, like you, i will survive it. (forgive me MN but i am sending you some )

anyfucker - i don't know how to talk to him! i have tried, i've lost it with him twice but ended up having what i can only describe as a panic attack and just got nowhere and no answers. i just can't stay calm...

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AnyFucker · 08/06/2011 21:16

if you can't talk to him, love, then you have massive problems I am afraid

does he make you feel you are inarticulate and that you would lose the plot ?

you sound pretty articulate to me...

UnsureRightNow · 08/06/2011 21:20

Sad FWIW I am now three years down the line and happily living in my own house with my DD and have a decent relationship with my XH.

We have been divorced over a year now and it really doesn't have to be this half relationship/life you are living atm

Mumcentreplus · 08/06/2011 21:22

write a friggin letter if that helps!...you need to get your point across

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ziptoes · 08/06/2011 21:41

"Has anyone else been through this and did they get the feelings back - how?"

You must both be so tired? 2.2 and 3 months - you'll be up all night feeding, and although he's not up feeding his sleep is disturbed and he doesn't have the BF hormones that help you get back to sleep. So even though he may be getting more actual hours of sleep than you - he's still sleep deprived. The reason I keep banging on about sleep is that DC2 has just started sleeping through and suddenly DH and I like each other again.

There's a wonderful book called Sleep Solutions for your baby and toddler by Ann Douglas that has a whole chapter devoted to the effects of sleep loss on adults - and it says that relationship problems are absolutely to be expected. You ask "is it common to assume that a wife in a fug of exhaustion and discomfort no longer loves you?" - according to Sleep Solutions all of these are symptoms of sleep loss: paranoia, loss of communication skills, loss of creativity and problem solving skills lack of patience.

So, don't jump to conclusions. Try to make time for yourselves as a couple, and perhaps agree to keep on going as best you can until a good few months after your DS starts to sleep through. If things haven't improved by then, then maybe that's the time to think about worst case scenarios.

TheCrackFox · 08/06/2011 21:45

He can't be that sleep deprived as he has mostly been on the sofa whilst the OP has been left to it upstairs.

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