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to try to find a male view on this?

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jbcbj · 08/06/2011 15:12

I am posting here because I know this gets more traffic than anywhere else, and also because I know I will get genuine points of view - which is what I want right now. I have support at home, but of course they are all on my side and I really want some impartial comments (if possible, from any male MNers as well?)

I will try to be as factual and accurate as I can rather than biased in my own direction. Tricky though...

I always believed that DH and I were meant to be together, but about 6 weeks ago he told me that he was no longer sure that he loved me any more. He likes me, cares for me and fancies me but it's "the love thing" (I quote him). He felt that our marriage has been cold for the last 18 months - for me, this was a total shock as it was the first I knew of it.

As background, we have been married for 3 1/2 years, together for 5, have a 2.2 year old dd and a 3 month old ds. He felt that my style of parenting was too child-centred (I carry them in slings, keep them in our room - although not full-time co-sleep - and full-term breastfeed). He felt that I no longer loved him and this chipped away at his love for me until he realised that it had gone. I have tried to reassure him that I love him more than anything, and that I was struggling with a young child, return to work, difficulties and chronic pain breastfeeding and then a second - not easy - pregnancy and birth.

He felt that intimacy had gone (we had had sex a few times but he has a very high sex drive) - from my pov we couldn't be physical without the pressure to have sex, so I think subconsciously I avoided it. We have always done a lot of cuddling etc though, and I have always told him I loved him every day.

Since he told me, we have been going to Relate and trying to be more physical but he says that "the love thing" is not coming back - I am worried that he is expecting to wake up one morning to find it suddenly reappeared, or that he is not allowing himself to feel it. I don't know - which is why I would like other viewpoints.

I am aware that it is difficult to know the whole story (even I don't!) and therefore difficult to pass judgment, but is it common to assume that a wife in a fug of exhaustion and discomfort no longer loves you? And for it to then stop you loving her? Has anyone else been through this and did they get the feelings back - how?

My DH is a lovely, warm, funny man but seems very angry - it's like treading on eggshells. He can't tell me that he wants our marriage to continue, or that he doesn't. His actions say one thing and his words another - we still get on very very well and he treats me really well, but calls me cold. I am also a nice person, and also warm....I just tend to retreat when things get hard and put effort into not letting it show. We know that communication is an issue, and are working on that, but "the love thing" is the real sticking point - apparently this has happened in two previous relationships and they did not last. I feel very much that he blames me, though.

If anyone can shed light on where he is coming from to help me understand and try to fix this I would be so grateful.

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wineisfine · 08/06/2011 16:37

(just to clarify, I think men who are jealous of their sons have weirdo stunted brains, not all men).

madonnawhore · 08/06/2011 16:38

jbcbj, I really think you should do a bit of digging and see if there is another woman on the scene. There are so many alarm bells ringing for me.

If you feel uncomfortable snooping then all I would say is, given that he's just pulled the rug out from under you, I think you're more than justified to use whatever means necessary to get to the bottom of what the fuck is going on. Because as MIFLAW rightly says, it's not normal for him to say this.

What would you do if you had fallen out of love with him? Would you tell him before you were sure? (I'm guessing not) After you'd told him, would you stay and keep trying to have sex with him? (I'm guessing NO).

Then why is he doing those things? My guess is that he's in the process of justifying to himself that it's ok to have an affair; because 'he's told you so many times how unhappy he is and you're just not making it better for him'.

izzywhizzyletsgetbusy · 08/06/2011 16:38

being the funny, optimistic one and the one at the centre of everything seems to be very important to him

It would seem that your dh craves attention and approval and this may be because he suffers from low self-esteem.

apparently this has happened in two previous relationships and they did not last

This could be because, once he has thoroughly impressed the other party with his 'funny, optimistic' traits, he has moved on to a new 'audience'. Or it could be that he felt that his former partners were not providing him with continued, unqualified approval and acclaim - i.e. he has a problem with the harsher realities of love and life.

Either way, I read his current behaviour as a form of attention seeking and I'm wondering whether deep seated issues are causing him to behave in this manner towards you.

What is his family history? What is his relationship with his dps like? Does he have siblings - if so, what sex and what age are they in relation to your dp? Are any of the siblings high achievers, or do the dps appear to favour one of their dcs over your dh?

Does your dh enjoy his work, and does it imbue him with a sense of personal fulfillment/status?

jbcbj · 08/06/2011 16:43

dd just woken and ds just....um....exploded! Grin

i'll try to respond to all your responses later, thank you all so much for what you have said.

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Diggs · 08/06/2011 17:08

Really sorry Op but im thinking affair too . He says hes been miserable but yet has done nothing about it and has attempted to rewrite things , put all the blame on you ect , its not looking good .

I think hes already decided hes leaving the marriage and is now paying lip service to relate . When it happens he will say hes done everything he can , including relate but it just couldnt be saved . I also think his whinging about getting little attention is a comparison to the attention hes getting elsewhere .

QueenofDreams · 08/06/2011 17:28

please stop trying to make yourself 'better' for him, it won't work.

He is jealous because he is no longer the sole focus of your life. He may or may not be having an affair. Certainly the fact that you no longer belong entirely and solely to him will in his mind give him the right to look elsewhere. All you frantic attempts to change things, improve yourself, improve your relationship will not work, because you CANNOT give him 100% of your attention as your children still need to be looked after.

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TheCrackFox · 08/06/2011 19:46

she has a 2 yr old and a 3 month old (with a difficlut birth and pregnancy)and her DH has gone in a huff that he is not getting enough attention and doesn't actually love her anymore. He sounds charming.

Frankly I would be packing bags for him not offering him cuddles, sex or sympathy.

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Mumcentreplus · 08/06/2011 20:07

OK...I agree with QoD I have experienced this myself ...he was the centre of your world now he is not and tbh if that was how it was then he's human and this is a just a foolish reaction to this fact...
This is about being honest with him...and also about looking at yourself too...right now your children are young and it's intense and they need you and him, he has to do is adjust to this... it's fucking life! right now not forever ..he's lost perspective ...
you both have to make time for each other too (that may mean a moment away from your children if possible), it's important and crucial for a marriage..you need to communicate with each other openly and fully..
I don't think he is having an affair , I think he's being a selfish buffoon but he loves you and wants to feel the same as he has always felt...

OldMacEIEIO · 08/06/2011 20:09

I have seen this before. I think
Men and women get intimate in different ways, women by emotional and psychological empathy, by talking and laying yoursef bare. Men get intimate through sex.
If I am right, I would guess that he has been dropping bigger and bigger hints, sleeping on the couch now and then and occasionally getting very ratty. He probably loves you as much as he ever did, but a very large slice of his life has been eliminated. He wants it back
If he was having an affair, everything would be ok, so I dont think he is.

In my humble opinion

TheCrackFox · 08/06/2011 20:10

Well, if he really has fallen out of love with her he could co-operate at the Relate sessions. If he really views the marriage as broken he should move out and look towards co-parenting. He should, however, not expect to stay with his wife making her feel like shit whilst expecting his dinner to be cooked, his clothes to be washed and his cock to be sucked.

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Mumcentreplus · 08/06/2011 20:15

I think what he has said is to create a reaction otherwise he could/would just fuck off...yes he's a selfish twat that goes without saying, OP knows him best and how you or I would react is not the answer...

jbcbj · 08/06/2011 20:21

inthenightgarden - you see, the thing is that i do, and always have done, give him cuddles. and kisses - but this started to become something that led to sex and then because although i am a very cuddly, tactile person my libido is low when pg/bf hormones rampage (i wish i was one of the lucky ladies who love sex while pg...) i pull away, and then he feels rejected, and then i feel bad...and then...and then... it so easily happens. i am really trying now and it has been lovely but i just don't feel that at the moment i can go all the way for both emotional and physical reasons. i really know how he must feel, but i don't know how i can explain that it is not a rejection of him any more than i have. he's so attractive and sexy....my body is just (temporarily) broken - but we are doing...um...other things. enough detail i think! of course i want him to stick around, mostly for the sake of our children, but also because i love him and still believe that we are meant for each other. but i don't want him to stay and be unhappy, and i am not sure how long i can keep it going on my own. the babes are the most important thing, but don't i deserve someone who loves me unconditionally, not conditional on whether i can cope with child, pregnancy, chronic pain, work....and still be the wife i was when i didn't have any of these? i don't know, i think we are a way off that yet.

diggs - i worry that that is his approach to relate too. only time will tell, don't these processes sometimes make things worse before they get better?

izzy - he has a pretty good relationship with his family; one younger brother, close to his dad. could he have been affected by being separated from his mother for his first year (vv bad pnd, hospitalised - his mother, not him!)? i sometimes wonder if this has skewed his view of childbirth/early years but may be clutching at straws. he loves his job (i have wondered about this too, as he got a promotion nearly a year ago and has been working really hard - and being successful. it also meant that i could be a sahm).

i have been watching my behaviour this evening; it does seem that i am trying to please him with everything. i don't think this is totally wrong but like i said, there seems to be a bit of an imbalance because on the flip side he is letting me...not sure if i have explained this well enough.

he's really not a bad person, not mean, abusive or anything like that. he is appalled by his feelings, and i am certain he is not having an affair. i know it looks like that, but i just feel sure... (and yes, i am sure many women before me have said the same thing...). I just don't know what he wants, and it feels like he is trying to self-destruct and take our family down with him.

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Mumcentreplus · 08/06/2011 20:28

The fact he's appalled by his feelings shows that he is shocked by his reaction to this situation and he realises that it's not OK..as I said he could just leave but he wants to work on it and marriage/relationships are about the 'I fucked up times' and the 'happy clappy who's turn to change the nappy' times...good luck OP..

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jbcbj · 08/06/2011 20:29

inthenightkitchen (again!) - i would love to know exactly that!

mumcentreplus - much of the time i do think that he does still love me; his actions belie his words. ds is so tiny and ex-bf so it is hard to get away for too long at the moment, but equally he sleeps a lot so doesn't demand as much attention as dd; i have suggested getting a sitter for dd and going for a meal. we haven't done it yet.

oldmaceieio - nail on head. the couch is very comfy and until all this came out he was on there virtually every night, ostensibly so that he could work late and not disturb me when he came up (i gave up saying that he didn't disturb me and i would prefer him there...).

anothermum92 - the suggestion of personal counselling was a fairly disastrous one. i even suggested we see relate separately - no go. i just want someone to give him a shake and tell him that yes, he does still love me, and yes, love can change - and that's ok. and that this situation won't be forever.

(please excuse lack of capitals and slow posting - i only have one hand, the other one is under a nursling!)

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UnsureRightNow · 08/06/2011 20:29

Another one here who is hearing 'Affair' alarm bells Sad What your husband is saying is textbook. I have been in your situation and didn't want to believe it, I made every excuse going and truely felt I believed him when he said he wasn't having an affair.

He was.

jbcbj · 08/06/2011 20:34

mumcentreplus - i just wonder what he expected from a marriage, if he panics like this when things change. i do take heart from the fact that he is happy to go to relate though, and do think that the fact that he hasn't left yet says a lot. we have a lot to build on.

anothermum92 - it is truly horrid. i have no idea if he is going to say one day that he's had enough. i am not sure if i can hear again how cold i am and how much he doesn't love me without snapping. i swing wildly from trying to do whatever i can to make this a happy home for him to getting so angry that i just want to scream and shout at him and tell him to f.o. I don't, though.

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AnyFucker · 08/06/2011 20:35

oh dear

just oh dear