To think the scum on Jeremy Kyle this morning

[Trillian]

and really an argument for enforced sterilization, eugenics or just bloody putting them down.

There is no hope for this country when feral vile "people" like this are allowed to breed.

One bloke no job two kids been sleeping with a girl her sister and her best friend, and good old tax payer picks up the tab.

Some people should not be allowed to breed.

I know its my own fault for watching it

Where is the offensive post?

BoiledFrog... Did you read the OP??

rufus incredibly brave and most excellent post.

Ofgs I am an idiot duh.

Applauds Rufus.

I don't know if it's MN etiquette to keep thanking people, but many thanks anyway for reading what I had to say and facing the truth. I too have an interest in the nazi era and before that, the doomed Weimar Republic, Reeling. And Peachy I do believe in an afterlife - perhaps not hell, but having to stand before our Maker and account for ourselves. Pfannmuller and his ilk would have a lot of accounting to do, of course.

The nazis honed their killing "skills" in the T4 euthanasia programme before "progressing" to genocide, and continued to wreak havoc under T4, especially against mentally ill people, in the occupied countries - notably Poland. One Herbert Langer was particularly vile. He went on to interrogate and torture the Operation Valkyrie bomb plotters and I first heard of him in Christabel Bielenberg's book "The Past is Myself". She volunteered to be interrogated by him to save her husband Peter from extermination, crossed swords with the bastard for NINE hours - and won. What a woman.

Well, better shut up now. I think I've made my point.

LANGE, not Langer - sorry.

Rufus - please don't feel that you have to shut up.

Your posts are very valid to this discussion. After all, we all (well most of us) agree that Trillian (not to be confused with TrillianAstra) is bang out of order for posting her suggestions.

Welcome to Mumsnet too.

Thanks, Mouse and for your and others' welcome to MN. I was a bit afraid of coming over as obsessive. It can be difficult to have strong opinions and emotions when you've got a mental illness - too easy to discount them, as my brother used to until I had a right go at him one time. He's better now, but I'm not turning my back on him anytime soon; I still have the hatchet scars on my back from last time. I've had a few amateur diagnoses in my time as well, as in "are you going hiiiiigh?" Just because I laughed at a joke! Bah.

I do hope Trillian has done a bit of googling and learnt from it, but somehow I doubt it. I feel a bit sorry for her really, wallowing around in shit and thinking it's attar of roses.

Rufus - I doubt it also. Funny how she's not been back to her own thread too. Imagine if we could all educate just one person. Just change the view point of just one individual.

Just to go back to some of the points previously raised in this thread.

I have watched JK today just to see if what we all said was right. I was absolutely shocked to the core at just how true our/the posts were about baiting the guests.

The first story was basically a punch up with JK in the middle of it. The second was titled 'What happened on the horse with the Egypitian?' lie detector results, middle aged couple, he's accusing her, she's denying anything happened and JK was there with a massive wooden spoon making a right meal out of it.

He then sat there and egged the poor guy on as per........ I can't believe just how bad it actually is.... it's modern day throwing of Christians into the Lions den. He is awful. He really doesn't give a shit about people does he?

Makes me glad I haven't got a television (which makes some people think I'm weird, and makes them wonder what I do with my time fgs!). JK sounds horrible. I got sickened of telly because my mum was always glued to it - utter rubbish, mostly - and we weren't allowed to utter, or even rustle the pages of a newspaper or she flew into a rage. Later, my ex was equally square eyed, but at least not nasty about it. But I still hated it and I would hide behind a book and with some Desperate Dans on (cans, or headphones as they are mostly called!) and listen to all the modern jazz he hated!

UK has had an underclass for many years. Our TV just depicts it more now.

Having said that I live in a 'nice' area with 'nice' people and ds goes to a 'nice' school and I saw a lovely fight outside the school a few weeks back.

We all have it in us - regardless of whether we have a nice big income or not.

Part of our culture. Part of most cultures.