to think that women with spanking fetishes and suchlike should be ashamed of themselves?

[saidthespiderwithahorridsmile]

ditto being tied up, rape fantasies etc

what sort of message does this sort of "fantasy" send to the male of the species? That really, deep down, women want to be dominated? That physical control is sexy?

Honestly. Women who indulge in this sort of twisted self-hatred need therapy. And to grow up.

you wanna join me and booyhoo flyingonion?

look spider

i have been battered by both sexes. so its not a sexist issue. end of discussion.
I know people who like to dom as well as sub. so its not a power issue. end of discussion.

maybe its just simple pervy excitement ? have you considered that

All men that like to be dominated are public schoolboys... just like all hairdressers are called Sharon and drive little MG sportscars.

TheFlyingOnion

read the Gruaniad actually < flicks hair >

but most of the guys I know who went to private school did have a pretty dreadful time getting punished by teachers and peers alike, and mostly without a woman in miles. That's not healthy, and mostly these guys had problems relating to women.

But stereotypes do tend to hold some truth.

spider, my shock was at teh idea of a child sexualizing abuse. i think you meant adults who suffered abuse as a child. i certainly don't believe that any chil is sexualising their abuse. how would a chidl know to do that?

I don't understand the perspective of the people on either side of the argument.

well yes, There are some who have had traumatic experiences during childhood that have affected their sexual developmentin an adverse way. In these cases yes I guess you could blame the parents.

But I genuinly do not believe for one second that everyone that partakes in Sub/dom relationships have all been abused.

It is a bit "feminism for beginners" to blame the patriarchy for (some) women responding favourably to a biologically proven stimulus.

You are trying to put a sociological spin on a biological affect. Whilst this may well play a part in a small amount of cases, in general i think you are talking brown smelly stuff

"most of the boys I know"

oh right, well I stand corrected. You are obviously able to speak on behalf of every public schoolboy in the country....

can I paddle you mamazon?

AmazingBouncingFerret

I did start by saying..

From stereotypes at least...

I didn't say it was the gospel truth.

that first bit was for Gster btw

(I think you know who you are, second bit people )

millyr,
come into my dungeon - i will get a confession out of you in half an hour

[sidles over to Trinity, Onion and Boo, surreptitiously wiping essence of TobyLerone off paddle]

Can I play?

stop that girls. you are making me wriggle

Personally, being tied up doesn't do much for me.

Unless it's accompanied by popping candy.

[pulls on thigh-high boots and a haughty expression while stroking paddle thoughtfully]

Anytime Trin

In Gster's defence stereotypes are formed from a noticable trend of whatever subject.

Can I just ask op , do you have any personal history which comes into this argument ?

I can see how if you as a person has suffered abuse at the hands of a man then this whole argument may be a bit clouded .

Ooh, or an ice lolly or somesuch.

I should stop now, it's several hours til bedtime

Scrotal I have to ask about the popping candy ?

TheFlyingOnion

you seem to have a problem understanding my posts.

I'm thinking aloud, not stating facts.

This is a discussion is it not.

good question travelling wilbury, maybe she didnt swallow a book
maybe she swallowed a boak