TO SAY Camerons Policies are in danger of getting all disabled people labelled as "Scroungers"

[ScousyFogarty]

That is a wicked thing do do and David Cameron beeds to apologise or more likely get one of his flunkies to say SORRY

However, as stated before the ins and outs of the Prime Minister's personal life aren't really relevant to this discussion.

As I said before it is his condoning of the conservative disablist policy that I object to.

It may mean they can afford some extras, but I can't imagine it in any way helps the feelings of guilt, anger, helplessness, frustration, worry, sadness or bereavement.

In which case I would say DCameron is pretty well placed to know what it feels like to be trying to cope with a disabled DC - well obviously he is as he had one himself. I would then say his private life is pretty relevant to the discussion...

can I just add in some cases DLA does not buy extras.

Not really. Because he didn't have the additional stresses of having to survive on practically no money because there was no other option. Have you any idea of the statistics of poor mental health in carers?

Anyway that is as far as I will be drawn on this, I'm not discussing it any more as it is not fair to the Cameron family to have their PERSONAL lives discussed like this. Matters of policy are a completely different matter.

DLA doesn't buy extras. It helps with survival.

Wow.

Cameron is disablist. Fucking hell.

Well I thought the thread was over with the nazi comments on page 2 or whatever, but it surely is now. The disability of a toff child is less than the disability of a working class child.

And you jokers ask for empathy.

devientenigma I was suggesting that having lots of family money buys you extras, not DLA, which buys you fuck all....

And Glitter I'm not trying to discuss anyone's personal life, I'm just saying that all the money in the world is no compensation when it comes to having a child with PMLD

Is someone putting words into my mouth here? An accusation your mob have used the other way round.

I didn't say Cameron is disablist so kindly don't twist my words.

I said that the conservative party policy towards disability benefits and provision is disablist, and whilst Cameron has the ability to veto it he has chosen not to do so.

Glitterknickaz

Erm... Cameron = Conservative, does he not?

I wouldn't ask for empathy from any one of you fascists, you've proven page over page that you are completely incapable of even understanding the concept.

I'm also not going to discuss what it is to have a child with PMLD. It's deeply personal to the individual family and I wouldn't dare even try to speculate.

I wouldn't wish their family situation on anyone. Even Hitler!

I agree flying DLA is in no way enough compensation for having a child who is severe or profound.

wickedwendy to follow your theorem to the nth degree in that case is Cameron = Conservative = he makes every single policy of theirs up.

Which anyone who has a brain cell knows is bollocks.

He is the leader of the conservative party. The buck stops with him. Therefore conservative policy has to go past him, and if it does he condones it.

Whatever Glitter. Your high horse is clearly smeared in the shit of political self interest.

David Cameron. Disablist.

Didn't. Say. That.
Shit smeared.... ohhh I could go miles with that one.

Self interest. Back to that.
Could you lot please try something new to trump your fascist horns about please?

Glitter this whole discussion boils down to the experience of individual families and their family members, ie, what it is to have a family member who is disabled.

It simply isn't a discussion that can be had along "general" lines, as everyone's experiences are too personal. In discussing policy, you are discussing people's lives

There's no getting away from it.

And if you don't have personal experience on PMLD, then I think I might draw the conclusion that actually you are not in a position to comment.

But thats just me and my personal experience...

Not PMLD, but multiple complex needs.... so in effect people without kids with additional needs can't contribute, surely?

This is what I see, there are many degrees of need. I see people who are able to make their needs sound great enough to need DLA of some level. I also feel some additional needs do not need DLA. I realise that sounds vague but ihykwim.

Thing is though I have THREE family members who have disabilities. I've freely disclosed my life because of my concern that the ideological policy of our present government is going to leave my family AND OTHER families unable to survive.

HOW IS THAT SELF INTEREST?

Just love the way you have so little ground that you twist round other people's words to justify the indefensible.

You should try defending the Winterbourne carers. I'm sure you'd come up with some amazing justification.

they can contribute, but I'm likely to think that as they haven't been there, their opinions are not as pertinent as someone who has been there, done it.

I can comment on the tack room forum all I like, but if I've never ridden a horse I don't suppose my opinions would carry much weight...

I don't think it should be about the ability to make it sound like you need it. It should be about professionals who have specialist knowledge of the condition and their recommendations, as it has been in our case.

glitter who are you talking to?

sorry Glitter I meant in your post of 23:06?

So a family that has three members who has disabilities, of course they are not able to comment in a pertinent way

makes sense.... mynotfinkso.

Partly you, in the pertinence stakes.
Partly others in the self interest respect.
I am in this, and I am shouting not just for me but for other families out there who just can't do that.

no Glitter thats not what I said. I said someone who had no experience of disability is not well placed to comment on the government's policy regarding disability.

You have personal experience at the "coal face" as it were, therefore your experience is presumably helpful to others and informative.