Saw this headline, thought "It's GOT to be a Mumsnetter!"

[bupcakesandcunting]

Yeah, yeah, it's a Daily Mail article but still [[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1389593/Are-PC-parents-world-The-couple-raising-genderless-baby--protect-right-choice.html BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA!"

They're coco loco, right? Surely no-one can say "fuck off, there's a dear" to THIS one?!

That is so f*cked up...so they are releasing the baby from the constraints society imposes but are instead opening up a childhood full of bullying and being different...

Yes it was dittany. A real course on real genetic disorders for a real biology degree at a real university. One of the most highly-regarded ones in the world too. Just because a website said it's an urban legend doesn't mean it's not true. Nor does hearing it in a class mean it is true. But this is beside the point, surely. These genetic disorders exist whether a celebrity has them or not.

Storm looks like a boy to me.
What a lot of fuss about nothing. If they want to do this, who cares. I wonder if they are not going to teach him a name for his penis so he can't accidentally blurt it out.
Also, these parents have condemned themselves to never having someone else look after their kid until he is completely toilet trained and requires no help in the bath!

How funny that they've given him such a strong 'masculine' name. It would have been a much bigger challenge to stereotypes if they had named him something 'girly' like 'Harmony'.

LDNMummy, I do hope your daughter doesn't want pretty pink girly things in her hair and lovely frilly tutus and ballet lessons, how far will you go to enforce your issues on this girl? by saying some things are wrong is completely taking away her freedom, it is just as wrong to ban a girly thing than to not encourage her to masculine persuits.

Nellie; erm Storm is girls' name.

Unless you are implying that thunder and lightening are masculine "things"?

I would have said that Storm is an ambiguous name. Neither masculine nor feminine, which is why the crazies parents chose it.

You'd call black a shade if it meant you could disagree with me .

I know of 2 girls called Storm. They're gypsies who's family owned a strip club.

Don't flatter yourself, you curmudgeonly harpie

I love it. I read the article then looked at my 3 boys (all dressed in blue, oldest 2 playing with trains/tractors/cars) and wondered where i've gone wrong. I will now let them grow their hair long (i chickened out when ds2 was 19months and had a big curl in the middle of his forehead) and choose their own toys in the toy shop - ignoring their cries of "space ship/dinosaur/cement mixer!!" and directing them to the dolls house and tutus.

they went to a ballet taster class the other week. dh was horrified.

"An ill-tempered person full of resentment and stubborn notions.."

Yes, I did Google that.

'curmudgeonly' is one of my favourite words. We were discussing this the other day at work. Along with 'calamity', 'cavorting' and 'haberdashery'.

Having read the original article in the link I find it even more disturbing and agree with the general attitude of their friends
Friends said they were imposing their political and ideological values on a newborn.
In my view DCs are precious and central-they come way before anyone's principles.
I see that they HE-they would have to- but it is shame the DCs never get out to meet with other ideas and make friends from all walks of life.
I feel sure from the picture that Storm is a boy and the mother isn't keen on them-she was hoping for a girl.

Haberdashery is a fabulous word!

And a fabulous thing.

Don't worry naturalbaby-they would end up exactly the same. I was a single parent with a DS with no male role model. He even did ballet when about 3 yrs old with his friend. He could still make a natural gun noise at 2 yrs (I can't do it now!) My DSs all played with kitchens etc-they had the whole range of toys -my brother was dressed by me as a girl when little. It makes not a jot of difference to the end result (although it gives DS a laugh to tell people he went to ballet).

dittany - I find it interesting that in the same post, you say you're not interested in engaging with people who dismiss you posts, and then dismiss me in the very same breath. Yes, I am a real scientist. I have various degrees and a job to prove it. I did not know Jamie-Lee had children. And I still maintain that a) she is entirely beside the point and b) biological gender confusion has a lot to do with transgender. How could it not?

at the posters who think ballet for boys is weird.

Exotic- Is it amusing that boys/men partake in ballet dancing? Is that the point of the story, that your son thinks it's funny to tell people he once went to dancing lessons?

Yes at the ballet for boys thing. I used to date a boy when I was 17 who was a ballet teacher. He was (and still is) an amazing dancer and an excellent teacher. His pupils adored him.

Transgender/transsexualism has nothing to do with biology, it's a delusion that exists firmly in people's heads.

Jamie Lee Curtis adopted her two children. She's made speeches and written books about it.

No idea whether she's intersex or not. That could just be because she has a non-gender specific name, her face arguably looks masculine and she opted to adopt.

I didn't go a a leading university. I'm a keen student of celebrity magazines though.