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Does anybody actually know anyone who had an ELCS just because they thought they were "too posh to push"?

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InAStateOfReflux · 24/05/2011 10:22

Just watching the Wright stuff. One of the hot topics is that apparently ELCS rates being performed by the NHS are rising because people are deciding they are "too posh to push" and it's costing the NHS lots of money. Hmm

They are suggesting that these women should be offered psychiatric counselling to bring them round to the idea of having a vaginal birth.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I was given an ELCS because my dd was breech and was in fact strongly advised to (not given much choice in fact) and anyone else I know who's had one has been offered it because of significant trauma or complications in a previous birth.

I have never however met a woman who insisted on one on the NHS just cause she didn't fancy pushing it out of her fanny, and I doubt the NHS would go with this anyway tbh...

And if they're talking about women who have real fears and emotional distress regarding child-birth, then yes of course lets force the hysterical wench to push it out, does she not know how much money she's costing the NHS? Hmm

Oh how I love the way the media portray these issues...[sigh] Yes perhaps ELCS rates are rising and perhaps this should be addressed in some way, but to suggest it is for such fickle reasons is so juvenile. Angry Perhaps it is the HCPs fault and not the whole female population who are apparently too cowardly to push their babies out?

OP posts:
Mollydollydoll · 29/05/2011 15:45

No way?

ruledbyheart · 29/05/2011 15:54

Yes I couldn't believe it when she told me, would have been fine if she was having a girl.

xstitch · 29/05/2011 16:13

I would say she was the exeption rather than the rule when it comes to c-sections ruled. I must know a lot of boring people because all the people I know who have had sections have all had them for medical reasons, varied reasons but all valid medical ones.

RunAwayWife · 29/05/2011 16:28

I am too posh to shop at Lidl/ asda Grin
I am too posh to go out in My P.Js
I am too posh to drink pints.

xstitch · 29/05/2011 16:35

oooo I shop at Lidl I'm not posh at all.

Teenytiny · 29/05/2011 16:35

Mollydollydoll.....You CLEARLY didn't read my post properly..... i DIDNT say that having vaginal births makes your bits big, if you read the post you will see i said MY FRIEND said that not me!!....i am aware of this fact as i have had 2 vaginal births and am not massive or big or whatever words to wish to use.

also i was talking about people who choose to have cs cos they dont want to push NOT for medical reasons obviously if its for medical reasons then its not the same thing. so i suggest you read my posts before putting words into my mouth and getting on your high horse. and anyone else thats said the same!

Mollydollydoll · 29/05/2011 16:37

Sorry tiny I did read it wrong I blame my flu medication x :)

RunAwayWife · 29/05/2011 16:37

Not everyone can have a VB some people need help, that's life

Teenytiny · 29/05/2011 16:44

Apology accepted.. x

ada07 · 29/05/2011 17:07

I seem to remember that 'too posh to push' was first mentioned in the media 15-20 years ago as a South American plastic surgery amongst the beautiful people of Rio etc. How it came to be associated with normal childbirth in this country is anyones guess particularly as posh meaning wealthy is the important word. Most likely some DM-esque histrionics?

I'm another woman who doesn't know anyone who has had a CS without good reason. I was advised to have an elective CS because of a high risk-pregnancy but ended up having an emergency section.

ada07 · 29/05/2011 17:08

''...plastic surgery option amongst.......

WidowWadman · 29/05/2011 18:03

Ho hum. Just had a couple of community midwives popping by for the first post hospital discharge home visit. There's quite alot of staff rotation going on at the moment so I never had seen them before.

Not only had they clearly not read my notes before turning up, as I had to tell the whole story ab ovo again, and they asked whether it was my first (while my toddler just charged out of the room leaving a trail of toys in her wake), but I also had to explain to them why I had an ELCS, why the consultant agreed to it and whether I had ever considered VBAC.

During my whole pregnancy I've been treated like an intelligent adult by any healthcare professional I encountered. I freally didn't expect to be patronised by a couple of CMWs after the event.

Am I wrong to be annoyed

xstitch · 29/05/2011 18:42

You are not wrong at all widow

I was asked 'who's bright idea it was that I would need a section'

My answer: 'The consultant' I actually named the consultant but don't want to completely out myself.

HaughtyChuckle · 29/05/2011 20:54

Don't patronise me haughty.When you have had to stand up in court and argue that you are a proper mother and the fact you needed a EMCS doesn't mean you didn't want your child and even more importantly that the EMCS doesn't mean your dd should be taken away from you, you get used to arguing your corner. You still haven't answered the question though who decides where the line is drawn between need and want.

well don't try and twist what I am saying if a VB is not possible you obviously NEED one.
People who don't need are are people who choose to have ELC because they cant be bothered to go through labour.
I never said anybody didnt want their child or isn't a 'proper mother' so I'll say it again stop twisiting what I'm saying.

K999 · 29/05/2011 21:00

Haughty. I had a an ELCS second time round because I didn't want to take the chance of having a similar experience to my first labour. Technically, it could be argued that I didn't "need" one. But I chose it. And I'm glad. It was a wonderful birth.

HaughtyChuckle · 29/05/2011 21:11

"Haughty. I had a an ELCS second time round because I didn't want to take the chance of having a similar experience to my first labour. Technically, it could be argued that I didn't "need" one. But I chose it. And I'm glad. It was a wonderful birth."

On that the hospital (programme) was a mother who had CS basically against doctors advice had a CS becasue she could be bothered and smoked through her preg, people like her I am meaning. or the 'I dont want a baggy fanny' parade. I not gonna say someone who's haemorraghed. PND etc doenst need one.

I dont agree that some posters are posting dreadful things trying to twist the point I am making.

teaforone · 29/05/2011 21:45

Gosh this thread got alot of posting :)

LoopyLoopsBettyBoops · 29/05/2011 23:39

Haughty: "On that the hospital (programme) was a mother who had CS basically against doctors advice had a CS becasue she could be bothered and smoked through her preg, people like her I am meaning. or the 'I dont want a baggy fanny' parade. I not gonna say someone who's haemorraghed. PND etc doenst need one."

I don't understand this post. What has smoking got to do with it? Or PND? What problems do you think do warrant a C section? What about previous trauma? Is there a sliding scale?

deliasmith · 09/06/2011 22:33

posh or not- why can't we have the choice? If there is no medical reason not to have cs then a fee should be agreed upon. Same way they should charge people who use A and E when they get drunk at the weekends. Might stop them then if they received a bill in the post. There are always logical ways of sorting these issues out yet they always choose the most stupid method and reason.

alexeliza · 29/08/2011 17:37

I agree with your logic deliasmith!

Ushy · 06/11/2011 10:32

Has anyone noticed doctors and midwives behaving any differently now the NICE guidelines (at long last) are changing and women should get a choice?

NinkyNonker · 06/11/2011 11:05

What an old thread! But I'm not sure that normalising CSs is necessarily a good idea.

otchayaniye · 06/11/2011 12:29

i had an elective section instead of vbac because i preferred it. no strong opinion either way, went into labour on the morning it was booked and chose the section.

mode of delivery is unimportant to me. i just wanted my baby out safely and preferred a section as previous elcs for first child went so well.

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