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Does anybody actually know anyone who had an ELCS just because they thought they were "too posh to push"?

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InAStateOfReflux · 24/05/2011 10:22

Just watching the Wright stuff. One of the hot topics is that apparently ELCS rates being performed by the NHS are rising because people are deciding they are "too posh to push" and it's costing the NHS lots of money. Hmm

They are suggesting that these women should be offered psychiatric counselling to bring them round to the idea of having a vaginal birth.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I was given an ELCS because my dd was breech and was in fact strongly advised to (not given much choice in fact) and anyone else I know who's had one has been offered it because of significant trauma or complications in a previous birth.

I have never however met a woman who insisted on one on the NHS just cause she didn't fancy pushing it out of her fanny, and I doubt the NHS would go with this anyway tbh...

And if they're talking about women who have real fears and emotional distress regarding child-birth, then yes of course lets force the hysterical wench to push it out, does she not know how much money she's costing the NHS? Hmm

Oh how I love the way the media portray these issues...[sigh] Yes perhaps ELCS rates are rising and perhaps this should be addressed in some way, but to suggest it is for such fickle reasons is so juvenile. Angry Perhaps it is the HCPs fault and not the whole female population who are apparently too cowardly to push their babies out?

OP posts:
HavePatience · 28/05/2011 21:10

curryspice - how I wish that were true! I remember it all very clearly. more than 2 years on and I still remember it all. Maybe that's why we aren't having any more. So I guess you're right... the human race would not continue if everyone remembered! Grin

NellieForbush · 28/05/2011 21:11

Helping people avoid pain sounds like a great use of time.

Does this mean you're an advocate of no pain relief as well?

teaforone · 28/05/2011 21:11

lockets -- if that was amied at me i feel very sorry for you

BagofHolly · 28/05/2011 21:13

aimed.

CurrySpice · 28/05/2011 21:14

I'm sure you do remember havepatience and I'm so sorry your birth story was so traumatic you poor thing :(

I was talking in general - some things are too awful to forget :(

I would never have a third after two awful experiences, which I feel some guilt at still (ridiculous I know Blush)

teaforone you sound one of the silliest, lest sympathetic or empathetic person imaginable. HTH

teaforone · 28/05/2011 21:14

helping people avoid pain!! Thats what the needles are for ??
I would not like to think anyone had a c section so they did not have pain because that would not quite work would it!

why would i be against pain relief i used gas and air although it did make me have a horrible headache and chest pains :( but pain relief is very nice good old days!! :)

teaforone · 28/05/2011 21:16

lol really confused i honestly do not know what i said to upset you but sorry if i did i thought i was allowed to answer questions but never mind!

teaforone · 28/05/2011 21:18

sorry bagofholly and lockets i do suffer with dyslexia but im very glad you feel the need to keep on pointing out my mistakes so thank you

Mollydollydoll · 28/05/2011 21:19

YANBU I had to have one as I've a hole in my heart so the strain of giving birth would have been too dangerous. I feel that it should only be done for medical reasons only not cause your too posh to push. Thats my opinion and I'm sticking to it. I would have loved to have given birth naturally but sadly it wasn't to be :(

Baby2b · 28/05/2011 21:21

I think too posh to push is a stupid term of phrase. I also think that there are women who would fall in this category, but they are the minority. Agree with curryspice that is has become something to make women feel guilty about.

NellieForbush · 28/05/2011 21:21

Why would I be against pain relief

Well because the staff may have better things to do than give pain relief to silly women who don't like pain.

HavePatience · 28/05/2011 21:21

Mollydollydoll - so would you disapprove of psychological reasons, then?

teaforone · 28/05/2011 21:23

mollydollydoll

So sorry for you i had a little boy who was my first who was born with a hole in his little heart and sadly angels took him far to soon
You gave my thoughts to a T..
Medical reasons yes of course thats the wonders of today!!

Mollydollydoll · 28/05/2011 21:24

And I feel a vaginal birth is always best for baby unless the baby is in due stress. I wanted it all natural, water birth etc wasn't too be. Knowing I was having a c section actually made me more anxious

BagofHolly · 28/05/2011 21:24

teaforone, dyslexia doesn't affect punctuation/capitalisation. And by pretending that you have it, you insult those who really do.

teaforone · 28/05/2011 21:25

NellieForbush
Im really not wanting to have a argument with you i gave my views and stick by it if you dont agree then that is your choice im not going over and over it again but c section is not a pain free soulation is it and uses it in the hope of is silly

xstitch · 28/05/2011 21:26

I can honestly say that all the women I have known to have C-sections it has been for medical reasons. These reasons have been wide and varied but not one has been any less valid than the next. Consultants are under a lot of pressure to increase the number of vaginal births (at least in my area) so they don't take the decision lightly.

I am sorry teaforone but I have to say this. If you are going to write posts with a condescending tone and patronise people in the way you have you shouldn't be surprised if the find something to pick fault with you. If you want people to show you respect and compassion try showing them the same in return.

teaforone · 28/05/2011 21:26

bagofholly
Please leave me alone im not here to be insulted you no nothing about me

teaforone · 28/05/2011 21:28

i was not insulting anyone! i gave my thoughts what wrong with that

Mollydollydoll · 28/05/2011 21:28

Havepatience I also think if you had psychological reasons then of course have a c section. My friend was actually scared about giving birth and because of that and the stress they opted for a c section.
But I've also read and not sure if it's true that some mothers can't bond with baby properly after they have a c section. I bonded perfectly with my DD

BagofHolly · 28/05/2011 21:29

You appear to be here to post moronic, offensive views in a particularly silly way.

And it's "know."

teaforone · 28/05/2011 21:30

yes ok and im the one being offensive

Baby2b · 28/05/2011 21:30

mollydollydoll I partly agree, but you can't ignore that what might be best for baby is what is best for mum. A very stressed mum who has had a previously traumatic experience such as patience would have benefited from a cs. Bonding with the baby afterwards is the key to the babies wellbeing.

NellieForbush · 28/05/2011 21:32

This is a discussion teaforone. That's the point of it.

So it is alright for you to use available medical resources but other people looking to minimise their pain are 'silly women'.

I don't think anyone has said a cs is pain free but many women have one in the hope of having less pain. Just like you had gas and air.

Baby2b · 28/05/2011 21:32

Cross posted. To help with bonding many cs mums have baby put straight onto chest now rather than being whisked away. I think there is a chance of bonding problems either way. Would be interested if there are any stats.