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Does anybody actually know anyone who had an ELCS just because they thought they were "too posh to push"?

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InAStateOfReflux · 24/05/2011 10:22

Just watching the Wright stuff. One of the hot topics is that apparently ELCS rates being performed by the NHS are rising because people are deciding they are "too posh to push" and it's costing the NHS lots of money. Hmm

They are suggesting that these women should be offered psychiatric counselling to bring them round to the idea of having a vaginal birth.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I was given an ELCS because my dd was breech and was in fact strongly advised to (not given much choice in fact) and anyone else I know who's had one has been offered it because of significant trauma or complications in a previous birth.

I have never however met a woman who insisted on one on the NHS just cause she didn't fancy pushing it out of her fanny, and I doubt the NHS would go with this anyway tbh...

And if they're talking about women who have real fears and emotional distress regarding child-birth, then yes of course lets force the hysterical wench to push it out, does she not know how much money she's costing the NHS? Hmm

Oh how I love the way the media portray these issues...[sigh] Yes perhaps ELCS rates are rising and perhaps this should be addressed in some way, but to suggest it is for such fickle reasons is so juvenile. Angry Perhaps it is the HCPs fault and not the whole female population who are apparently too cowardly to push their babies out?

OP posts:
teaforone · 28/05/2011 21:32

As far as i was aware noone on here has had a c section just because they wanted one so really my thoughts could not offend anyone
And even if somone had thats is there choice people have different views on everything

Mollydollydoll · 28/05/2011 21:33

Teaforone thanks for your comment. Sadly I never found out til I was 23. It never affected me really but they say I was born with it and I suffer SVT with it. But I lead a normal life just can't run any marathons probably one day will need a pacemaker fitted. Had ablation done for the SVT but no joy. So sorry to hear about your boy that's very sad :(

teaforone · 28/05/2011 21:34

Well i would not of liked the pain of a c section i think it would be worse but that is just my view

Mollydollydoll · 28/05/2011 21:36

Baby2b that's what I read but know plenty of mothers who have had c sections and had no probs bonding, plus my DD was placed on my chest and not whisked away.

NellieForbush · 28/05/2011 21:36

The pain of a cs might have been worse than the delivery you had but that is certainly not the case for everyone.

Not everyone uses gas and air but no one cited this as a reason you couldn't have any.

xstitch · 28/05/2011 21:36

I didn't much like the pain of my C-section couldn't walk for weeks. However at least I was alive to feel pain and my dd was alive too which she very nearly wasn't.

Mollydollydoll · 28/05/2011 21:39

Teaforone I'd rather have the pain of a c section than any distress to my baby. It's my baby that's the number 1, she came 1st. If I'd had a natural birth with my illness my stress would have caused her stress. Sod that she's too precious for that.

teaforone · 28/05/2011 21:39

mollydollydoll-- science is amazing im glad you can lead your life well.
They are actually quite common and most can be fixed or at least made better :)
Unfortually my DS was born to early which of course made every alot harder
They are managing to pick up alot of heart promblems now on scans but sadly still many go un noticed

lockets · 28/05/2011 21:39

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Mollydollydoll · 28/05/2011 21:40

Well said xstitch

teaforone · 28/05/2011 21:40

Yes of course you would have a c section if you or your baby were in destress
Well i know i would anyway

BagofHolly · 28/05/2011 21:41

teaforone READ THE THREAD. There are loads of women who have requested them - just because their reasons are not "posh" doesn't mean that the operation wasn't essentially at maternal request. And it's absolutely right and proper that the NHS provides for such cases.
For example, my friend lost her baby during labour because she was mismanaged by her midwife. And not unreasonably her next delivery was a c section, which she asked for. Strictly speaking, there was no physical reason why she couldn't deliver vaginally again, but she couldn't face it. Hers is just one example.
And you, you silly girl, sit and spout that women who can't face labour shouldn't have got "preggers" in the first place! How offensive!
Can't you see that the decisions on delivery are not just based on physical ability? If you had read the whole thread, AND UNDERSTOOD IT you wouldn't be posting the nonsense you are.

teaforone · 28/05/2011 21:41

NellieForbush

Sorry i dont know what your asking me??

Mollydollydoll · 28/05/2011 21:41

Same as me lockets. All in all a great birth, yes I was in pain but we were both safe and that's the main thing

teaforone · 28/05/2011 21:45

Bagofholly

I do not understand your need to be talking to me like a child
I understand some people CANNOT give birth natually i never said nothing about that
I just said you should not assume you can get a c section which is just my view
Im guessing you did have a c section as you are getting very worked up and thats great whatever way you went through it you got your baby or babies
I just gave my view so dont worry about it if its upset you im very sorry

NellieForbush · 28/05/2011 21:48

Why is it ok for you to utilise medical resources to manage your pain but think that other 'silly women' shouldn't be able to exercise their choice to a cs?

teaforone · 28/05/2011 21:53

o ok sorry,
Well a c section is a operation so it is not ment to be used as pain relief he drugs offered to women durng labour gas and air tens epidural etc are more than enough for most women
You would not be able to get a c section for pain reasons because its not a pain free method nothing is
But yes if it is needed for medical reason Whatever medical reason to ensure mummy and baby are healthy and happy they do it of course !
But i would not really belive you could get a c section for pain reasons sorry if people have ...

teaforone · 28/05/2011 21:54

the drugs rather

xstitch · 28/05/2011 21:56

PTSD, and anxiety are medical conditions also. Just because you can't see them doesn't make them any less real. I am not speaking for myself here because that is not the reason for my section I just want to help people show some compassion to others.

NellieForbush · 28/05/2011 21:57

You chose gas and air to reduce your pain. Some women want a cs to reduce their pain.

Why do you get what you want but they shouldn't?

CoteDAzur · 28/05/2011 21:58

"If you could not go through it again im curious why you would get pregnant?"

Because I wanted another baby and knew that there was another way to give birth. What a twatty question to ask Hmm

"I do know how bad it can be, I developed PREND/PND... Maybe you shouldn't make such patronising, personal assumptions"

I didn't make any assumptions. I asked if you heard about birth trauma causing PTSD (Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder) not PND. I'm still convinced that you have not, given your reply.

Maybe you should properly read the posts before assuming they are making "patronising, personal assumptions".

teaforone · 28/05/2011 21:58

serious cases yes if you need one you need one

NellieForbush · 28/05/2011 21:59

I'm astonished to hear you would allow epidurals for pain relief. I thought you would consider them a waste of Dr's/Nurses time.

teaforone · 28/05/2011 22:00

CoteDAzur

Sorry who are you talking to?

teaforone · 28/05/2011 22:00

i did not say any of those things