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To feel resentful about not being given any chances to have a career?

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Pushmeinthepool · 03/05/2011 10:17

Does anyone else feel that they've never stood a chance in life of doing anything that a) they enjoy or b) that pays well? I did well at school, and got very good grades at GCSE. I'd always wanted to be a doctor but at 16 my parents (who were very controlling) decided that I should leave school and do a shitty secretarial course at the local college rather than do A-levels. Once the secretarial course was finished I was forced to get a job or risked being thrown out. And of course, once I'd been a "secretary" no company would take me seriously in wanting to do something else. I got taken on in an estate agents as a negotiator but once the manager realised I had secretarial qualifications he decided that I could be the office admin assistant instead, so my chances of earning well through commission etc was gone.

I got married to my first husband, who was also very controlling and at that time i had a job working in logistics planning, which wasn't well paid but could have been had I progressed up the career ladder. I had my first DD and my husband at the time and my mum decided that I should be "at home with my baby" and my mum wrote up my notice to give to my job and my husband took it into my workplace. So I had no say in the matter.

I haven't really worked now since then (I'm now 34); I've re-married and my DH has a well paid job, but I feel completely robbed of any chance of doing well. I've lost all my confidence for working. This area is also a very low-paid area in general (DH London based so earns ok); a salary of 9k is advertised in the local paper as being a competitive salary. A high paid job in this town/area is probably 30k, there are no jobs that earn more than that.

I know it sounds like i'm blaming others but I do feel really resentful and like I've had no chances in life regarding work; I'd like to do something challenging, that I enjoy and that will eventually be well paid. Am I too old to carve a career? Where the flip do I start?

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Pushmeinthepool · 04/05/2011 10:03

I do love the idea of the OU and of the studying fitting in around the children; the only thing that puts me off them is that it takes 6 years to do a degree rather than 3 years. I'd rather get a degree done and dusted if possible. Has anyone on here done a degree with the OU in 3 years?

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Himalaya · 04/05/2011 10:39

Pushmeinthepool

You have every reason to feel resentful of your parents, but if you are going to break the pattern you describe, you are going to have to recognise that it was not just the things that were done to you by employers, parents, exH, but also the way you handled them that got you here (albeit your lack of confidence is completely understandable given you controlling parents etc...)

You say you were never 'given any chances to have a career' but I think you may have overlooked a lot of chances along the way because of your lack of confidence and thinking that the only way into a career is with qualifications. Of course there are vocational jobs with defined career paths, Doctor, nurse, lawyer, teacher etc... but many people nowadays make their own career by being pushy, spotting opportunities and jobs that needed doing, putting themselves forward, act resourcefully etc.. and lots of them start off in admin positions. Those who are successful don't wait to be 'given chances'

Most jobs have a fair degree of administration in them, and in my experience administration can lead to all kinds of avenues and management skills - managing projects, people and budgets, managing events, dealing with legal, communications and PR, print buying, web design, office management, HR, IT management, facilities management, basic research, running meetings, purchasing. Did you do these things, and you are selling your self short, or did you not see that there were opportunities to do these things if you pushed yourself forward?

When you started the negotiators job, I suspect your boss saw your lack of confidence and had a gut feeling you didn't have the spark of a negotiator. The fact that your response was to quit rather than to negotiate your position probably confirmed that to him. When you had the day in the office typing up property details it sounds like you saw it as a demotion, and went into resentful mode rather than trying to work out if you could use it as an opportunity to use your skills to help the company to be more successful. What if at the end of the day the boss had said to you we would like you to do the admin role and you had said 'OK, but since you are now hiring me as an experienced administrator rather than a trainee negotiator on commission, I will need a higher basic rate of pay in the range of x. And by the way in my day in the office I noticed these things with the IT system, work process management, office systems etc.. that could be improved and could save you something in the region of x, or bring in new business etc..'. Things might have turned out differently (admittedly they might not have but it is always worth giving it a try Grin).

At 34 you are not too old to kickstart your career, but you are not getting any younger either, and you have the disadvantage compared to 21 year old career starters that you are not able to drop everything, move to a different part of the country, work late and flexibly etc...on the other hand you do have advantages of a mature attitude and reliability, administration skills and experience and the financial security to be able to volunteer, do something low-paid/take a risk if you see an opportunity to progress.

My advice would be not to write off your experience in administrative roles, but build on it. Sit down and think of all the stuff you have done- delivered time sensitive projects, managed people or money etc.., talk it through with people and on Mumsnet then do a really targeted job search, what you want to do is find a local company or organisation that needs your skills and that would offer you the potential to progress. I would generally avoid big companies and local Council that tend to be less flexible. Anything advertised in the job centre will tend to be low risk/low return in career terms. What you should look for is something where you use your admin skills but gets you into doing some chunky project work in a sector you are interested in, not just filing and typing. It might be a start-up company, it might be a charity, it might be a school or in the health sector. Talk to everyone you know about their jobs and friends of friends. Don't look for a job with 'status' or high pay in the first instance but be wary of anything that looks like a dead-end job (I would be wouldn't go for saturday retail work for a chain, as it is rare to progress into management without being moved around branches, and if you don't want to do that then this isn't the way in for you).

Unless you are really set on a vocation I wouldn't go to Uni, it will take years and at the end of it you will be in the same position of competing against whippersnappers.

You will have to be pushy and resourceful to find the right job, and pushy and resourceful to make it work for you. When you start don't just try to keep your head down and do what's on your job description/in your comfort zone, look for opportunities to learn and to demonstrate what you can do at every turn.

Don't be too hard on yourself, but don't wait for others to give you opportunity.

Best of luck!

Pushmeinthepool · 04/05/2011 10:56

Wow, thank you Himalaya, what a lovely, helpful post. I think you're right about building on my administrative past, I guess the thing I don't want to end up doing is doing everyone's typing and filing again. I don't think I want to do office work again, I'd rather do something where there's a bit more variety and the chance to meet and chat to people rather than sitting in silence looking at a computer. What sort of things should I look for regarding project work? I don't really understand what project work is.

With regards to the estate agency, as far as I know I did well at the negotiation side. I do appear confident on the surface so I'd be surprised if the manager thought I wasn't confident enough. I got two viewers two offers accepted on houses in 3 days and was really getting stuck in to ringing through reams of clients' phone numbers from the files to see if they wanted to view lots of new properties we had on our books. I think it's more likely that the manager demoted me as I was the only female in the office and because my typing/computer skills are good and I did the details quickly and well, he probably thought "hold on, we could have someone on our hands here to do all our dirty work". The blokes in the office weren't keen on filing and there were literally stacks of it. I think he saw it as an opportunity to get someone to do all the office crap on a low wage. You're right, I really should have used it as an opportunity to re-negotiate my wage but I found it soul destroying to, after 4 difficult interviews, be demoted back to doing a job I hated and was trying to escape from hence applying for jobs like the negotiators job. Does that make sense?

Also a bit of a question for you all; if I apply for any jobs, I have no idea who to put down as references as it's been so long since I've worked (I'm guessing it's probably not the best idea to use the estate agency manager as a reference, haha). The company that I worked for pre-children (the one for which my mother handed in my notice) went bankrupt several years ago; one manager has subsequently died and the other one has seemingly disappeared off the face of the earth. Any ideas?

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Himalaya · 04/05/2011 11:21

Pushmeinthepool -

Glad you liked it!

By project work I mean something that you can take responsibility for and do well, not just assist someone else or do the routine admin which stacks up everyday and is the same everyday without end ('the dirty work')

The kind of thing I am thinking of is organising an event (a launch, a fair, a conference etc..) publishing a newsletter or report or setting up a website, managing a recruitment process, setting up the admin side of a new line of business line, writing a funding application, doing a big bit of procurement....something where you could say at the end 'I did that' (..and these were the results). It would depend on the industry and organisation, but I would be looking for a role with more of that and less of sitting in silence looking at a computer Grin, its still 'admin' but it is interesting, chunky admin! Sometimes it can mean looking at the way the routine stuff is done and working out a way to do it better - costing the options, presenting them, getting agreement and then training people on the new systems.

On references, I would start your job search with people you know, and friends of friends, then you don't need formal references. Given that you don't have to pay the mortgage you could offer to work a 3 month no-commitment trial. And/or you could volunteer for a charity or local group - but if you do this make sure it is not (just) envelope stuffing/routine stuff but you work out a 'project' with them - like managing a (small) event. Ask around, anyone who does anything interesting.

Pushmeinthepool · 04/05/2011 13:00

Himalaya, project work like you've suggested sounds excellent and just my sort of thing, especially the event organising and publishing newsletter sides. Definitely something to think about.

I have just bumped into a friend in town who works for a national fashion chain that I would absolutely love to work for. She started as a part time salesperson and has worked her way up to department manager. I said I'd be interested in a weekend position and she's going to see if there are any available at the moment. They've lost a lot of staff recently as we've had a massive new popular chain store opened in town and lots of staff have left to work there. It might not be the ideal job but it's something I'd enjoy and then I can assess from there what I want/need to do to progress.

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Longtalljosie · 04/05/2011 18:12

Good for you. Once you're working again your confidence will increase massively.

cherrypez · 04/05/2011 18:14

I went back to education at the age of 30. Got a good degree and am starting my PGCE to become a secondary school English teacher in September. Prior to that I had been working for a well known fast food chain. Anythings possible lol, u can do it.

cherrypez · 04/05/2011 18:15

Oh and I did my degree at a brick uni not OU but it was very easy to fit around the kids.

nometime · 04/05/2011 18:29

I would say just get yourself out and back working - especially if your contact can get you a few hours. I worked in retail one day a week for a year just to get back onto the work ladder, now I do something completely different but that year gave me the confidence I needed.

ohboob · 04/05/2011 19:05

My OU degree has taken 5 years but you could absolutely do it in 3 or 4, if you doubled up the courses (which lots of people do). Of course that makes it more intense but if you're willing to work hard, it can be done.

I've really enjoyed my studies. They are so helpful as an organisation too.

Good luck, your parents and first husband sound so controlling.

Pushmeinthepool · 18/05/2011 13:57

Hello everyone

As you were all so lovely and supportive I thought I'd pop a bit of an update on here.

Basically I've applied for several telesales jobs, working from home, part time. I love telesales and was quite successful when I did them as a student. A family member has offered to have my DS on the hours that I work when I get a job, and all of the jobs I've applied for have been hours to suit and part time.

So I thought I'll give that a go, not too bothered about the money as obviously I'm not working now, but it will give me experience and then perhaps in a couple of years when my youngest starts school, I could look for a sales representative job or something like selling cars at a dealership, that kind of thing. I think the telesales will be a good experience in the meantime, plus of course there is the incentive of commission!

So overall I'm feeling a lot more positive now!

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PurpleSneakers · 30/06/2021 06:42

What are you up to now @Pushmeinthepool?

Fairyliz · 30/06/2021 07:02

Crikey I thought from your initial post you were going to be a 90 year looking back on your past life regretting the things you had not done.
Instead you are 34!!! You probably have another 34 years working until you can get your pension, more than enough time for a career.

colincarrot · 30/06/2021 07:07

This is from 10 years ago! zombie

OddBoots · 30/06/2021 07:08

@PurpleSneakers

What are you up to now *@Pushmeinthepool*?
That would be interesting to know now it is 10 years since the OP posted.
malificent7 · 30/06/2021 07:24

Could you do medicine?

Disfordarkchocolate · 30/06/2021 07:43

I did a degree in my late thirties and in my early fifties started another new career. Its not too late at all.

Make yourself a 5 year plan with achieveable goals and you'll be amazed what you can do.

Start with the counselling, get some qualications, volunteering can be amazing for experience and the world is your oyster. Work doesn't have to be sat at a desk or in a local office, especially now.

Good luck.

Disfordarkchocolate · 30/06/2021 07:46

FFS @PurpleSneakers just send a message to the OP next time.

Grapewrath · 30/06/2021 07:51

Op I hear you. My parents gave my education no support and threw me out so I had to find a flat share and turn down my uni place. I spent a long time doing bar and waitress jobs then fell pregnant so felt like I’d missed a lot of opportunities.
It was hard but I went back to uni and struggled to juggle with 2 young kids. At 35 I graduated and started a new career. At 40 I might change again soon :)

Drivingmeupthewall · 30/06/2021 08:00

I know this is a zombie and you’re a decade on now, but this thread is so very sad. I couldn’t believe you were only 34, OP. I hope you found some happiness and success away from your awful family.

Sportysporty · 30/06/2021 08:03

You are 34 not 64 with a husband in a job that pays enough for you to retrain. Yes you have had obstacles but forward its all on you.

Sleepingdogs12 · 30/06/2021 08:11

I thought you were going to be a lot older from the title of the post. You are in your prime with lots of life experience behind you. I am always in admiration of woman in my field who had a tough start with few opportunities and make it happen. I always think these people actually are more driven , more enthusiastic and better at problem solving than those who have followed a more traditional route. Believe in yourself.

StColumbofNavron · 30/06/2021 08:19

Even if you go back to admin work to get started you may well find sideways then upwards steps. I’ve made a career out of contracting as a PA and honestly in almost every job over the last 10 years I have been offered or encouraged to apply for other things. E.g. move into HR or marketing where I could move up, once as a lettings negotiator in office agency and once even as a building surveyor. I’ve not take advantage of these things because I’ve been studying for a different path for all that time but if I hadn’t I would have taken some of those.

Other posters are right, you are definitely young enough. I started my first degree at 28 with 3 DC.

Is you DH supportive of you doing something? If so, the options these days are practically unlimited as you can see by all the suggestions.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 30/06/2021 08:20

10 YEAR OLD ZOMBIE THREAD

FurierTransform · 30/06/2021 08:35

Lots of recommmendations for the OU which is obviously a great qualification, but I wouldn't discount more simple training courses available online via sites like skillshare, LinkedIn etc. Especially if you're after starting a career in sales or similar where there isn't really an academic barrier to entry.

You're definitely not too old to 'start again'/ career change btw. We hire quite a few people in well paid but entry level positions who are 40+. It's normal to have a few different careers these days.