David Cameron tells Angela Eagle to "calm down dear" at PMQ

[Bennifer]

I posted this in feminism but think this is appalling, if true.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13211577

No, Nortine, no-one is bothered. 22 pages of not being bothered, there.

Isn't one of the points that she wasn't shouting 'irrationally' but correcting Cameron on getting a fact wrong?

Larry I applied feminist analysis to the use of 'shriek'. You did say yourself that you don't know what feminist analysis is so I suspect we will not have a terribly fruitful exchange here!

Saying as you haven't had the manners to comment on what I said here I'm not feeling inclined to engage much with you really;

"Larry stop telling me how to post. Alright? Now.

I said;

"Also comparing outcomes for middle class women and working class men is just pointless in terms of feminist analysis."

You accused me of "tell(ing) other posters in what terms they are allowed to analyse."

I did no such thing. I applied my analysis to another poster's comments. Nowhere did I tell the poster concerned how they may analyse/post/comment/think or whatever.

As said by SGM, you are not in charge here and I may post how I like. The etiquette on MN is to report a post that you feel is out of order. You may, of course, report my posts if you have an issue with them."

Sexist, patronising and unacceptable.

Was cameron under pressure, his face suggested pressure? Over NHS farago

Was Dave Camerooney being an all boys together ill-mannered Tory yob?

I just ask the question

GabbyLagoon

yes he was ..but no surprise there really

"Anyway, what is quite interesting is that women often get accused of 'shrieking' or similar as a tactic to get them to shut up or to get others to stop listening to them, don't they?"

The point is Eagle was shrieking. You could hear her over the entire house - she lost it and drowned everyone else out.

Cameron will pay a price, but he just said what many people, men and women, were no doubt thinking. 'Shut the fukc up'.

Actually I think if you watch it, he is the one who lost it, not her.

I couldn't hear her "shrieking" I could hear a great deal of shouting from men and women (THE HORROR!)

Interesting that it's only the women MP's who are accused of "losing it" "shreiking" or "being hysterical"

I was thinking "shut the fuck up" to DC actually as he was talking out of his arse as per usual.

DC was being patronising. It was unparliamentary behaviour from a family man who should know better. He should apologise. End of.

She was shrieking. I watched PMQ and thought 'who the hell is that?' when I heard the noise, just as Cameron struck out. And I dont blame him.

Maybe if that shriek hadnt cut through the chamber like a knife, she wouldnt have been targetted. But it did.

Maybe she was targetted becuase she was pulling him up on his inaccuracy - just a thought.....

No she wasn't 'shrieking'. I have just watched the video again and you can just hear her saying in a loudish (to be heard over the noise of the house) normal woman's voice 'he stepped down, he stepped down'.

Shrieking is a word that is very loaded in the English language - it is generally used to a woman to imply that she is behaving irrationally/emotionally and has lost control of herself.

People shriek in horror films when the bogey man jumps out at them.

Here are some comments from the woman herself. Harriet Harman's face is a picture at 1min11secs in.

"Please calm down Mr/Ms so-and-so" - fine

Omitting the word "please" - not so good

Calling a woman "dear" in the workplace - not good at all

It was a patronising remark but who cares considering what she and her friend Mr Brown have done to the country I couldn't care less what Cameron calls her

Yes, maybe if she had just SHUT THE FUCK UP and listened to what the Men were saying she wouldn't have been "targetted" for a little bit of patronising sexism.

Maybe if a lady shrieking upsets you and Dave so much, you should be the ones who Calm Down

Dears.

poxoxo, it's either acceptable in any workplace or it isn't.

Actually having just watched it again, Cameron made an utter arse of himself by smugly trying to get a dig in about the Labour candidate having lost his seat when in fact said candidate had stepped down.

He just confounded things by his sexist comment.

Poor show for a PM.

When you are in a hole stop digging, they say. Cameron compounded his error by trying to justify it and start saying it to the blokes . Eagle's comments about him needing to look a bit more Prime Minsterial are well judged.

Hear, hear MayBankHoliday

And, in the light of Willetts' comments about middle-class women, the way women are disproportionately affected by the Coalition's cuts, they don't look like a reconstructed Tory party at all, do they?

I haven't read the entire thread but this is blatant sexism and if you replaced the 'patronising women' comment with him directing a 1970's stereotyping ethic minorities 'joke' at a ethnic minority MP then no one would be saying it's okay.

When they banter in the commons they don't generalise about men in a derogative way. They may get personal but they don't gender or race stereotype. That is why the comment is wrong.

And you think Labour wouldn't have made the same cuts?

What planet are some of you on?

Oh, and CCP:

What's your response to Larry Summer's view that Osbourne's 'growth strategy' is "oxymoronic"?

" I find the idea of expansionary fiscal contraction in the context of the world in which we now live to be every bit as oxymoronic as it sounds.'

And Joe Grice said the economy was 'on a plateau', not growing. Stagflation, here we come...

Lilmeena - what are talking about?

So is the conclusion:
1: politicians shouldn't patronise/wind each other up in the House (interesting idea but may take a while to catch on);
2: male politician's can patronise other men but shouldn't patronise women in the House because it will look like sexism (perhaps sails a bit close to "must treat them like ladies, the poor dears" so falls into the one rule for them another for the rest trap);
3: Cameron is a shiny buttock faced twat and this looks like a great chance to give him a kicking ?

As far as I recall Winner used to unleash his "catchphrase" on different characters in his adverts who were getting upset. I always thought it was a rather equal opportunities form of irritation but perhaps I'm misremembering? I must admit I'm struggling to care more than the fact that Cameron had used the line before, it is old hat and this will probably bring it back onto our screens. If that happens perhaps he does deserve a public flogging.