David Cameron tells Angela Eagle to "calm down dear" at PMQ

[Bennifer]

I posted this in feminism but think this is appalling, if true.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13211577

She said it to men, Lilmeena

I bet most of the people who complain about the lack of women in the cabinet are the same ones who think that Mrs Thatcher was the most evil person ever.

Cameron is an utter moron and the tone of his reply to the RHL was plainly sexist. But that's what tories tend to be like, unfortunately.

I can't believe ppl are arguing over , over rated, egotistical, over paid, expence fiddling law breakers (MP's). These ppl where elected by the ppl to work for the ppl not to steal off the ppl.
All MP's say different things BUT mean exactly the same that includes male and female MP's . They all promiss this that and the other but deliver nothing but misery to the ppl they are suposed to serve and that is the bottom line.
1 of the boxes on the voting paper should say (I vote none of the above).

Should firefighters be 50% female? How about soldiers? Should we take steps to ensure that the gender balance in prisons is 50/50? How about homelessness?

How about the public sector? One of the reasons that women are "suffering" so much in the cuts is because so many areas of the public sector are female dominated.

Women expect to have it all. Men have suffered far more than women over the last 30 years, whole swathes of industry that used to provide men with work in this country have effectively disappeared, whereas women have been pandered to a great deal.

bna - thatcher was only accepted by many in her own party for her "man" like qualities. She sure fooked single mothers more so than any other man did. Thatcher was "evil", not because she was a women, but because she pursued profit above all else, the same old tories.

"whole swathes of industry that used to provide men with work in this country have effectively disappeared"

yeah like that's women's fault!

You are totally derailing now RobF.

"Women expect to have it all. Men have suffered far more than women over the last 30 years, whole swathes of industry that used to provide men with work in this country have effectively disappeared, whereas women have been pandered to a great deal."

What an odd choice of forum on which to espouse such a well thought out view, RobF

No. If you disagree with what I have said, feel free to argue. Men (working-class men especially) have been treated very shabbily over the last 30 years, while middle-class women have been given everything on a plate, without being expected to compete with men on a level playing field.

""whole swathes of industry that used to provide men with work in this country have effectively disappeared"

yeah like that's women's fault! hmm"
Women make up 50% of the population, do they not? Working-class males have had their interests sacrificed in order to appease the interests of the middle-class in general, and middle-class women in particular. When feminists talk about improving things for women, what they mean is for middle-class women like themselves, they couldn't give a shit about normal women that work in shops, pubs etc. Look at the amount of time they spend fighting for equal representation in executuive boardrooms? How many women would that actually affect?

"What an odd choice of forum on which to espouse such a well thought out view, RobF"
I like being able to argue my points. I don't see the point of forums where everyone agrees with each other.

feminists are to blame for the fall of the working class man? What about all the working class women who are out performing working class men?

I'd missed this as hadn't seen the TV today, DH came home from work and asked if I heard what Cameron had said, when I said no he told me to look on MN and i'd soon find out

Of course he said it because she's a woman - the line wouldn't have popped into his head otherwise.

But he has used the same phrase before to a man, so there's no 'of course' about it.

It was patronizing, silly, out of place in the House of Commons (as is much of the 'banter' at PMQ) but I really do think it could have popped into his head because its a catchphrase. It doesn't stand up as evidence of sexism. The fact that parliament is entrenchedly sexist is a serious issue - this just isn't.

I would argue with you RobF, but I'm off to the cbeebies chatroom to tell them all to grow up.

'a catchphrase' he OBVIOUSLY likes - quite a lot

I rest my case

Gosh this thread is getting increasingly bizarre! On the one had we have the peculiar Rob who is saying that he doesn't mind women as long as they know their place, and then we seem to have another faction trying to turn this into a partisan issue...

In fact, it was just an off the cuff, casually sexist remark. Was it the worst thing that happened in the world today? Of course it bloody wasn't and nobody is asserting that it was. It is possible, even for women to hold more than one thought, concern or opinion at once.

As for the inherent sexism of Cameron's remark being a 'leftie' idea, that's plainly absurd. Clearly, it would have been equally offensive no matter what party the man who said it happened to represent.

For example, I told my staunchly right-wing, somewhat unreconstructed DP what Cameron had said and he screwed his face up, whistled and said, 'Christ, that was pretty stupid of him. Not clever to show off his sexism for the world to see.'

i would have thought the increase in service sector over manual labour favoured women over men though as men still have a clear and unfair advantage over women across the majority of workplaces - not much to complain about?

still, the Cameron quote ws typical PMQ fodder. they are meant to be being annoying. Blair in his time came ou with some really antgonistic stuff...(hough he wasn't much of a one for PMQs at all)

that's almost the whole point..

"i would have thought the increase in service sector over manual labour favoured women over men though as men still have a clear and unfair advantage over women across the majority of workplaces - not much to complain about?"

What is this advantage? Which workplaces?

I believe in equality. Most feminists do not. My idea of equality is giving the job to the best person, whatever sex, race or sexual orientation they are. And everyone must compete on the same playing field as everyone else, no concessions to gender or anything else.

IMO we have a major problem in this country with dissaffected male youth that have been effectively disenfranchised by the changes made to this country over the last 3 decades. It's going to come to a head very soon, as the money to keep millions of youths sated with drugs and petty crime simply isn't there anymore.

'dissaffected male' needs to grow a pair

personally i'd like to thank robf for proving why women have not been allowed to further their political careers due to the inherently sexist attitudes he has espoused on this thread. (and apparently dc)

so, women are lazy, incompetent fuckwits who don't wanna graft and want to be kept at home sponging off their manly wage-earner. and any woman who has the temerity to want to earn her own living is doing so at the expense of a far more deserving working class chap who happens to have a penis?

have i paraphrased that correctly, rob?

ffs. a penis doesn't entitle you to a job. in the same way that tits and a uterus don't mean you have to spend thirty years dusting and ironing his shirts. i'm not sure why you think sex is linked to professional capability, rob, can you share?

funny, that penis/ entitlement thing again.

and i spent 16 years in the military. i'm well used to sexist banter, i can assure you.

please tell me you're just having a laugh and re-running that moronic article about the poor ickle working class men and those dreadful middle class wimmin? or i may actually have a coronary.

and fwiw, i've voted tory. still wondering why, tbh.

PMSL at the MRA Rob describing being a woman as 'a lifestyle'.

rob, those disaffected males can always find themselves a nice little wage earner and stay at home cooking and rearing the kids? sounds like a bonzer little number, non? i bet they're all queuing up to get those lazy sponging women to let them in on that sweet deal?