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to think it's highly unlikely that Jesus was dead when they put him into the tomb?

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cunexttuesonline · 24/04/2011 11:55

Crucified for 1 day with nails put in hands and feet and a spear wound on his side. I think he must have just been unconscious when put in the cave. Then 'came to' the day later and pushed the stone away with the sort of supehuman strength that, for example, women get whentheir babies are trapped under soemthing heavy. Guards outside tomb could have been sleeping or buggered off or something.

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glitteryturd · 26/04/2011 07:19

Errrrr....I think you will find Easter is a pagan festival, much like Christmas. Adopted by Christians to belittle pagans. Before jesus, there was Easter. Check your facts! It Is purely insulting that Christians get on their high horse over Easter with little knowledge of the facts!

GapsAGoodUn · 26/04/2011 09:11

But Sausages - there has been a really interesting discussion going on - and the OP is something that I've often wondered about without being 'insensitive' or being brave enough to ask.

I don't think (although maybe I'm naive) that it was meant as a deliberate point at the Christians and laugh AIBU, more that it was a question to create discussion.

I have lots of books to follow up on now - thanks to many posters up thread. [bugrin]

porcamiseria · 26/04/2011 09:11

You can think what you like, of course, but it's a bit mannerless to post, when it undermines the basis of faith for a lot of people, on the day that celebrates it.

HEAR HEAR, hate the way christian bashing is seen as OK

GapsAGoodUn · 26/04/2011 09:16

Ok - agnostic question here - but how can your faith be shaken so easily? Surely faith is just that. No one could make me doubt that I love my children and if anyone tried I would be busy showing them the truth rather than telling them that they shouldn't even ask.

MHDateallthechocolate · 26/04/2011 10:23

I agree Gaps - I think it's been an interesting and balanced discussion with not an over amount of name calling. I feel sure enough of my faith to engage and not feel affronted. I have doubts, of course, would not be faith without such, but I like to meet them full on and talk with anyone who wants to talk about this stuff :)

GapsAGoodUn · 26/04/2011 10:44

MH - thanks. I know that I have almost nothing to add to this discussion - a youth growing up christened in CofE, then went to Methodist Chapel every week for 8 years then nothing, I have never really analysed faith.

Plus, as that (really funny) R4 programme, Harry's Game, has it "God has a thing about agnostics. He thinks they're as bad as atheists but with an added helping of cowardice". Grin

CheerfulYank · 26/04/2011 13:43

There's a difference between having your faith shaken and thinking that something's in poor taste, isn't there?

seeker · 26/04/2011 14:31

I just don't see why Christians always call "questioning anything they believe and not accepting "well it's my faith" as a reason for anything" is Christian bashing.

As I said below, I do think that Christians get a bit over excited when challenged. They are so longing to be persecuted for their faith, and, because they are lucky enough to live in a democracy where free speech is enshrined in law, it just doesn't happen.

seeker · 26/04/2011 14:35

Oh, and if Muslims had an automatic representation in the House of Lords, and had a privileged place in the education system, and had to have their point of view be considered in the formation of science and social policy, then I would be as vociferous about that faith. But they don't. Christians do.

dolldaggabuzzbuzz · 26/04/2011 14:38

My friend's 6 week dead DH rose from the grave and stood at the end of her bed as she lay for the first time with her new boyfriend. Her boyfriend continued to sleep peacefully unaware. Dead DH was gone by morning and never returned. My friend is not a liar, I am certain of that. However, this story is incredible isn't it?

seeker · 26/04/2011 14:41

He didn't, you know. And your friend is not a liar. She just has a subconscious mind.

Animation · 26/04/2011 14:44

Well I'm a Christian - and I'm glad that I'm not the only one who thinks that some of these stories are a bit dodgy really, and not meant to be taken literally - more like parables.

MaisyMooCow · 26/04/2011 14:51

As I said below, I do think that Christians get a bit over excited when challenged. They are so longing to be persecuted for their faith, and, because they are lucky enough to live in a democracy where free speech is enshrined in law, it just doesn't happen

I don't understand your point Seeker.

sausagesandmarmelade · 26/04/2011 15:21

As I said below, I do think that Christians get a bit over excited when challenged. They are so longing to be persecuted for their faith, and, because they are lucky enough to live in a democracy where free speech is enshrined in law, it just doesn't happen.

What a very strange statement...not to mention a sweeping generalisation.
Are you longing to be persecuted? Is that why you are so antagonistic towards christians?
Hmm

LynetteScavo · 26/04/2011 16:07

dolldaggabuzzbuzz, I think there are quite a few people who have had experiences like that.

Completely off topic, and with my judgey pants on...6 weeks?

buttonmoon78 · 26/04/2011 16:15

Actually Seeker as a person who encounters Christians who live in Muslim countries with a very harsh line on Christians, I assure you that Christians are not longing to be persecuted for their faith.

We are and have been for many years, as have many others of many other faiths.

But to say that we are longing to be persecuted is, in my opinion, the most tasteless remark yet on this thread, which has as others have said remained remarkably free of vitriol and shouting.

PeachyAndTheArghoNauts · 26/04/2011 16:33

What seeker, all of us?

Where did I give that impression, I wonder?

MHDateallthechocolate · 26/04/2011 16:54

I know Peachy, I was wondering the same thing. Seems to be an amount of tarring with the same brushing going on, which is a shame given comments earlier on about this being a good engaging and friendly thread. Never mind.

MaisyMooCow · 26/04/2011 17:28

But to say that we are longing to be persecuted is, in my opinion, the most tasteless remark yet on this thread, which has as others have said remained remarkably free of vitriol and shouting

Here here!

seeker · 26/04/2011 18:32

The merest hint of challenge or question and some -not all - cry Christian bashing.

The merest hint of not getting special treatment and some - not all - cry marginalization.

The merest hint that equality law appliews to Christians as well as everyone else - and some - not all - cry persecution.

CheerfulYank · 26/04/2011 18:37

I despise being persecuted, myself. :) Tis no fun.

But, "It matters not whether my neighbor says there are no gods or ninety gods; it neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket." -Good ol' T. Jefferson :)

PeachyAndTheArghoNauts · 26/04/2011 18:59

Thank you Seeker, far more accurate.

And to which i an add:

the emrest hint that anybody thinks they are above anyone else and should get preferential treatment by virtue of their faith, and some Christians cry Oi! Jesus said Love Thy Neighbour; not love himunless you can get a place at a better school by ensurring they have no access.

Animation · 26/04/2011 18:59

I'm a Christian - and I honestly don't see Christians being mocked on this thread. I have a questioning mind and my God is OK with that, We all have our interpreations of passages and stories in the bible - some stories seem plausable and true whilst others more like parables that have a some useful moral message. Why is not OK to flag up these incongruencies and speak about it - what's to be offended about that?

I think the 'persecuted' comment is probably referring to the DEFENSIVENESS you get sometimes from some of the more traditional non-questioning Christians.

VeryStressedMum · 26/04/2011 19:30

Well, there's alot I do not believe about the bible but I do think Jesus was real and he died on the cross (he probably was dead when they buried him too), whether he was the Son of God is another matter, but it's not for me to say what others should or should not believe.

He was killed after the last supper, which as he was Jewish is taken to be Passover and so he died and was buried after that which is why Easter is always celebrated around Passover. It's not an exact date, Easter is to remember Jesus - Easter is calculated by the spring equinox (march 21st I think), it's on the first sunday after the first full moon after the equinox. It's also something to do with a pagan celebration - the sun I think. As most people worshiped the sun god before they brought in Christianity it was thought best to keep some of the same festival dates - like 25th december.

Not a great explanation! But if Christians choose to believe in the Son of God and the resurrection then that's up to them.

seeker · 26/04/2011 19:32

"But if Christians choose to believe in the Son of God and the resurrection then that's up to them."

Absolutely it's up to them. Until they start trying to claim special privileges because they believe it, or expecting other people to believe it too.

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