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Teaching isn't compatible with parenting

479 replies

treehugga · 03/04/2011 17:06

So you think there are short days and long holidays, well hollow laugh! Am I the only teaching 'widow'? My DP seems to spend all of his evenings and weekends working, which doesn't make me a smiley mummy this Mother's Day after yet another day of sole childcare while lessons get planned, reports written and whatever-else for the little darlings. Some mitigating points:

  • when he's not working, he's usually great at domestic stuff and for this reason I count myself lucky
  • he is a perfectionist
  • I know one other teacher (who also works ridiculous hours) but maybe he's just avoiding family life.
So, put me straight, am I the only one or are there more?
OP posts:
takethatlady · 07/04/2011 15:51

In my view there are all sorts of variables. Some subjects require more or less preparation than others; some subjects' syllabuses change more frequently than others; some departments have different expectations; infant, primary and secondary school teaching have different and variable workloads throughout the year; different schools have different kinds of work in them (a high proportion of students with SENs will obviously require different kinds of planning/preparation than a high proportion of students bound for Oxbridge, and some schools require lots of afterschool/weekend participation and some don't). And yes, some teachers aim to improve and develop their teaching every year and work very hard at doing that - some might be reinventing the wheel and might not be better teachers because of it, while some might be just the kind of hardworking, proactive, dynamic and responsive teachers everybody wants for their children.

As other posters have said, there are clear pros and cons to teaching: long holidays aren't always a bonus since many teachers work over their holidays (DH breaks up tomorrow but that comes with a ton of coursework marking for years 11, 12 and 13 which will easily take him a week of full time work; during half terms he is usually on school trips abroad which are exhausting and demanding, and during the summer holidays he is always asked to sort, re-make, and upgrade departmental resources and to produce all the necessary data post exam-results, etc.). But still, they are much better holidays than most workers get and he thoroughly appreciates that. Weekend working is also at a minimum. At the same time, work during term time is inflexible to the point where he had to apply in writing for two lessons off to attend an ultrasound and then justify himself to the headteacher, and he brings home hours' worth of work every night. Short term deadlines are stressful in any profession, and teaching is one of those professions that includes continual short term deadlines.

I don't think teaching is incompatible with family life (am only pregnant with DC1 but we know plenty of other teachers with happy family lives). But I think the OP is right to think that, while the general perception is that teaching is a family-friendly career option, it is often more complicated than that.

I am not a teacher, but I am an academic. I have great flexibility, brilliant childcare options, and am massively grateful to be in the career I'm in. I also work 70-80 hour weeks and am terrified that my flexibility vs. DH's relative inflexibility won't be a great mix (i.e., it will always be me who has to take time off/juggle things around because I can, while he can't - and always me chasing my tail to catch up). So it all depends on the mix, I think.

LDNmummy · 07/04/2011 17:45

I have officially decided to give Scottishmummy what is called 'Air Pie' in urban slang because she seems two things, 1 is having an large axe to grind and 2, she seems to have a penchant on trying to pick appart everything I say without actually understanding it to begin with.

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=air%20pie

That link is for anyone interested in knowing the definition of air pie if they don't already.

So Scottishmummy I am officially giving your ass air pie as of this moment Grin

It may seem childish but the sun being out is putting me in a playful mood so cannot be arsed.

LDNmummy · 07/04/2011 17:45

A penchant for, not on lol.

LookToWindward · 07/04/2011 18:58

Married to a teacher here. DH works in a demanding secondary and entered late in to the profession as his previous job (IT consultant to city firms) was literally killing him. He is - by all accounts - an outstanding teacher, well regarded and has positively flown up the greasy pole so to speak.

I was talking to him about this the other night. His opinion is that while teaching isn't especially family friendly its a hell of a lot better than his old career and a lot better than most other careers (e.g. law) - mainly for the holidays.

He's said that any teacher doing more than about 45 - maybe 50 - hours a week is either incompetent or a martyr. It's not an easy career but compared to some it's really not that hard and very well rewarded given the low entry requirements, pension, holidays, etc etc.

He's of the opinion that most of his most "vocal" (whining) colleagues tend to be career teachers and really don't grasp how well they are rewarded for what they do. I know he thinks most of them wouldn't last five minutes in other professions (such as law, medicine, accountancy) that the unions are so keen to be compared to. That isn't to say that teaching is a soft or easy choice of career - he's quite vocal that its not, it can be demanding and at times extremely stressful but the idea that some teachers like to portray, of an undervalued, overworked group toiling under terrible conditions is taking the mick.

LDNmummy · 07/04/2011 19:19

"He's said that any teacher doing more than about 45 - maybe 50 - hours a week is either incompetent or a martyr."

Hmm
CurrySpice · 07/04/2011 19:21

snorts

wordfactory · 07/04/2011 19:31

LDN I don't know if you've come across sm before, but you have got her all wrong if you think she has an axe to grind.

She just says what she thinks and that's that.

Her very very wise advice to anyone getting upset by MN is to get a life turn it off. To quote her. 'Words on a screen.'

scottishmummy · 07/04/2011 20:27

ldnmum,resorting to personal insults dunce and air head makes you like bit touchy and juvenile,with an inability to tolerate anything other than your pov

no axe to grind,that would imply specific grudge meted out - this isnt case

you however have twice had a wee radge out and once gone off to find a supporting quote tocut & paste - that's way too much effort for words on a screen

i have opinions on everything,and you know what so does everyone else -thats the point of online rattle tattle.words on a screen,sometimes strident,sometime funny

and if it gets too personal take breather for 5mins

peanutdream · 07/04/2011 20:30

i'm a teacher. i agree with LooktoWindward. If you are doing more than 50 hours a week, more fool you. If you HAVE to do more than that to survive, you are probably a bit crap lol.

peanutdream · 07/04/2011 20:30

sorry, LTW's DH Grin

takethatlady · 07/04/2011 20:35

ltw what subject does your DH teach? Mine teaches history - workloads can be huge at times because the essays/coursework are long and the content involves a lot of reading around ... as I said in my previous (ignored!) post there are variables at play here ...

scottishmummy · 07/04/2011 20:35

other teachers have commented that the 50-70hr week is excessive too

SlackSally · 07/04/2011 20:36

peanutdream

Maybe you work in a sector, school or subject that is not very time-heavy?

I couldn't do my job in 50 hours a week. Absolutely no way.

LookToWindward · 07/04/2011 20:51

I think its maths. He's also something high up on the pastoral side as well (he does tell me but to be honest it bores me almost as much as when he used to drone on about networks :) )

Mind you I suppose it also matters if you class scanning through lesson plans and the like while listening to the radio and having a glass of wine as work. I know he doesn't - in his old life working on an evening meant working - no having a chat with me at the same time for example.

Even then you're only talking a couple of hours a the week.

I suppose it's all relative. DH has an exceptional brain (even if I do say so myself) and teaching is a lot less demanding for him than his old life was.

Though don't get him started on the NUT...

peanutdream · 07/04/2011 20:57

there are times of the year when you have to mark shit loads of essays but that is not all year. end of summer term. come on!

i teach secondary english.

sats marking is hell. cw is hell. but its not all year. and once you have taught a year then the next one is easier etc etc.

you make your choice. mine would be family. i would cut corners to spend time with them.

Thornykate · 07/04/2011 21:02

I think it depends what other professions you compare it to.

I mean teachers don't have to work night shifts or Christmas Day like some professions which IMO are more incompatable with parenting.

scottishmummy · 07/04/2011 21:07

yes.public hols,shifts,on call are demanding upon other public sector workers. as i said imo tachers have very favourable public sector terms. other working parents have to plan and pay for
easter
summer
oct week
feb mid term holiday cover

but this is not a who has it hardest competition, is an observation on op. and frankly many jobs put demands and stretches upon parents.not just teachers

mitochondria · 07/04/2011 21:07

I wouldn't get all my stuff done in 45 hours. I don't finish teaching until 4.30, have evening and weekend duties too (independent school).

Upside is even longer holidays than state schools!

COCKadoodledooo · 07/04/2011 21:23

Oh. LTW, you again with the incompetencies. You told me my dh was incompetent a few months back. Which is clearly why his head begged him not to go for another job and has made him head of 2 subjects Hmm

scottishmummy · 07/04/2011 21:28

you recall what someone on mn said 2mth ago and drag it up.why?

realistically no one on here can make a definitive statement about anyone else competencies as we only have uncorroborated posts to go on.and certainly i would let anyone else assumed appraisal or précis get to me

congratulation on your dh promotion, but dont hold mn grugdes,
is toxic and life too short for angst about what some stranger said online

COCKadoodledooo · 07/04/2011 21:41

I hadn't recalled her name or anything until she posted what she did on this thread. I merely mentioned it because she herself made that comment again. I was pointing out that it was in fact Not True. Don't tell me you wouldn't feel slighted or remember if someone had said similar about you and yours?

I don't hold grudges, life's too short and my memory's too crap. Was just pointing out she was wrong is all.

minxofmancunia · 07/04/2011 21:42

I haven't read all of the thread, I'm not a teacher but I'm daring to have an opinion about them Shock.

I have several teacher friends and liaise closely with schools through work including doing classroom obs.

I have one teacher friend who is an art teacher in a private secondary. She finishes at 4.30pm latest everyday and apart from ocassionally she never does any work at home. Her GCSE classes are about 8 or 9 pupils all v well behaved and high achieving. She has 16 weeks holiday a year and complains if she has to do parents evenings Hmm.

My other teacher friend have varying workloads and some seem to really really graft however, and this is just an observation the ones who work either in primary or private schools...erm...don't seem to have it that hard. The ones who work in state secondaries have a bloody nightmare esp. the HoDs. And all the experienced primary school teachers I know unless they are SENCo or similar say if after a couple of years you still have to do loads of work at home you aren't very well organised, or doing your job properly.

And all the teachers I have as friends on FB just talk about their holidays CONSTANTLY. Which to be fair even if you include some working in the holidays is at least double the holiday allocation that most of us have (eg I have 6 weeks after 12 years working in the NHS get extra days for "loyalty" Hmm)

scottishmummy · 07/04/2011 21:48

no im not slighted by what some anonymous rattle tattler on mn says.not at all. hell all manner of stuff gets opined upon on mn about different choices,individual circumstances

off top of my head on mn
ive been asked why did i have children if i let strangers watch em
told its cruel to put my babies in nursery ft
admonished for missing precious moments

i in turn have made strident replies and participated actively too.

is only a slight if you let it be, and you know what it is only words in a screen

FunnysInTheGarden · 07/04/2011 22:04

All Teachers are shit Grin except DH. HTH

scottishmummy · 07/04/2011 22:10

LOL,thanks that makes all clear