They're coming into our country and they don't even have to register to claim benefits now

[bupcakesandcunting]

Not the words of me but of Alf Garnett my mother.

I feel that she has reached the pinnacle of twattery. AIBU to tell her to shut the fuck up with this? Honestly, it makes me so fucking angry, especially when it is punctuated with "I read it in the newspaper", like that makes it definitely true.

So you don't like the liberal-left OR the Tories.

I guess that leave no doubt as to where YOU sit, does it, Ron?

BTW, this suit does nothing for your figure.

A banker, a Daily Mail reader and a benefit claimant are sitting at a table sharing 12 biscuits. The banker takes 11 and says to the Daily Mail reader: "Watch out for the benefit claimant, he wants your biscuit"

Just popping by to say that I LOVE this :D

Everyone is born equal, right? So why do people (like OP's mum) complain about the "foreigners" (potentially fleeing horrendous situations at home) getting benefits when there are plenty of British citizens doing the same? Oh dear!

Surely we'd expect a bit of compassion were we to flee our native countries for another place.

"Immigrants have not caused terrible working conditions and low wages. Many large companies are still posting record profits and have been every year for the last decade yet the average worker has not seen record pay increases and has actually seen their wages drop when you factor in inflation. The largest theft in history when a massive transference of wealth from the poor to the rich in the way of banking bailouts happened and there are people who won't say a thing about this but who will instead blame the 'Paki' next door because their local library is being closed down."

I have explicitly stated that I do not blame immigrants and I would do the same in their position, so the racist accusations are ridiculous.

Large companies are able to make massive profits largely because they are able to pay lower wages due to mass immigration. Or do you think the likes of the CBI are constantly pushing for more immigration out of the goodness of their hearts, because they believe in a multicultural, vibrant community etc etc?

We are now at the point where many workers wages are so low that they have to be topped up with benefits. Explain to me how that is a good thing?

Who bailed out the banks btw? The nasty Tories? No, I think you will find it was those so-called defenders of the working-class, Labour.

My name is Rob, not Ron btw.

Yeah you did: "Many Britons turn the jobs down because the pay is too low and the working conditions terrible. Mass immigration has caused this."

Sorry Ron, you're still chatting arse.

"Yeah you did: "Many Britons turn the jobs down because the pay is too low and the working conditions terrible. Mass immigration has caused this.""

But I have been quite clear that I lay the blame on politicians that have supported mass immigration, not on immigrants themselves.

I'd be quite happy to argue with anyone that wants to make valid points against anything I have said. How has immigration made YOUR life better? Do you think that your experience is typical of the majority of working-class Britons? Do you think that working-class Britons matter, or should the country be run for the benefit of the monied elite?

Yeah well my life hasn't been made any WORSE for immigration, I know that much. It's the white trailer-trash around here that make my life worse. I wish that they could be deported to Planet Twat.

Rob, numerous people above have given examples of how immigrants have improved the lives of average Britons - e.g. anyone who's received treatment from one of the 47% of nurses who are immigrants. Or the individuals who have received prescriptions from Baroque's family members. Or, personal example - the children with special needs who my mother has taught to read/do maths etc.

But I'm going to stop, because I can guarantee you're going to ignore pretty much anything anyone says to prove you wrong

"Yeah well my life hasn't been made any WORSE for immigration, I know that much. It's the white trailer-trash around here that make my life worse. I wish that they could be deported to Planet Twat."

What job do you do? What job do others in your family do? Do you have children? Where will they live when they leave home? What jobs will they do?

It's very easy for people to lie to themselves about mass immigration because they imagine that they and their family are all smart, go-getting people that can easily compete with the best people in the whole of the EU. But this is simply not the case for the vast majority of people in Britain, or any other country. The EU being an open market for labour is great for those at the very top of their profession, top footballers and the like. But for more humble normal people with only generic skills, it is a very negative thing.

"Rob, numerous people above have given examples of how immigrants have improved the lives of average Britons - e.g. anyone who's received treatment from one of the 47% of nurses who are immigrants. Or the individuals who have received prescriptions from Baroque's family members. Or, personal example - the children with special needs who my mother has taught to read/do maths etc.

But I'm going to stop, because I can guarantee you're going to ignore pretty much anything anyone says to prove you wrong"

I'm not opposed to limited immigration of skilled people, but this has gone on for years, long before the mass immigration of the last decade has gone on. What I object to is the kind of mass immigration that now sees whole industries dominated by immigrant workers.

@Rob. It doesn't matter to me which party bailed them out because Tory, Liberal and Labour are all the same to me (frontmen for big business) anyway so don't try and make out that I'm some lefty Labout supporter.

The CBI are pushing for more immigration because the population is imbalanced and we are soon to be in a situation where there are more retirees than workers. The 'indiginous' population is not producing enough babies to be able to support them and maintain growth so they want more immigration. It isn't a plot to take away workers rights.

Wages are so low that benefits are used to top them off because the companies can get away with it and enough people don't make a noise about it. People will see on BBC News that their employee has made an increase in profit but will accept their employer saying that they can't afford to give them a pay increase for the 5th year in a row. The average Brit is passive and allows this to happen, it's not because the Poles are here. If Tesco reduced working conditions for all of their staff, most Britains would still shop there anyway instead of taking their custom elsewhere so the companies are not punished for their behaviour and can get away with all kinds of crap and would still do so even if all the Poles went home tomorrow.

It doesn't matter that you don't blame immigrants directly, you still see them as the cause of the problems of this county and they are not.

"Immigration has made made my husband's life MUCH better, Ron. "
How so?

Do you think your story is typical or an anomaly?

"What job do you do? What job do others in your family do? Do you have children? Where will they live when they leave home? What jobs will they do?"

I now work part-time in a huge department store, not that that has much to do with it. Before I had children, I worked in publishing. DH is a design analysist for a car manufacturer. I assume my child will live in a house made of bricks when he leaves home. I don't see your point.

My job is unskilled (the one I do now) There are over 500 employees in my workplace. None are immigrants. I do not see your point.

@RobF can you give us an example of how immigration has made your life worse.

"The average Brit is passive and allows this to happen"
You're right, and that is why we have mass immigration. As long as people can buy cheap strawberries from Tesco, they don't really care about their fellow countrymen being well and truly fucked over by the government and employers.

"The CBI are pushing for more immigration because the population is imbalanced and we are soon to be in a situation where there are more retirees than workers. The 'indiginous' population is not producing enough babies to be able to support them and maintain growth so they want more immigration. It isn't a plot to take away workers rights."
The CBI doesn't give a shit about there being enough workers to support retirees. Why would they?

Immigrants retire btw. What will the government do when that happens? Open the UK to unlimited immigration from Africa, and Asia? Sooner or later we have to say "no more" unless we want a Soylent Green scenario.

I don't do any job, I live in a high unemployment area, currently on benefits, most work is shift work that includes nights - out of the question with no overnight childcare available, it's going to be hard to find a job - that's got fuck all to do with immigrants,

"I don't do any job, I live in a high unemployment area, currently on benefits, most work is shift work that includes nights - out of the question with no overnight childcare available, it's going to be hard to find a job - that's got fuck all to do with immigrants"
Are there jobs in the area currently being done by immigrants?

'Open the UK to unlimited immigration from Africa, and Asia'

So it is about race then afterall? You don't want lots of brown people here.

I'm mixed race and my DH is a white immigrant - Australian, but I'm probably more of an issue for you despite being born here.

By the way if no more immigrants are allowed here I'm guessing the rest of the world would retaliate and stop Brits from moving to their countries.

Also the country is not over-populated, the population is inbalanced as most of it is private estates and nearly everyone is crammed into the cities particularly in the South East.

yes - but they're not jobs that I could (or would want) to do, I can't work 50+ hours a week, I can't risk taking on seasonal or temporary work, I can't do nights or weekends. There are of course immigrants working - as mentioned above most of the GP's at my doctors surgery are immigrants, and the people that run the local corner shop (they employ 2 british born and bred employees), exH is working as an asbestos surveyor I also know immigrants who have recently lost their jobs through redundancy. When I was working in acare home a few years ago some of my colleagues were immigrants, my SIL that runs the care agency employs immigrants (she has offered me jobs - unfortunately all hours I have no childcare for).

For the jobs wehre hours are between 7am and 7pm I will have just as much a chance of getting them as any immigrants also applying.

@RobF so if Baroquearoundtheclock came back and said that there is an Indian doctor in her area are you going to say that he stole her job?

~Christ could you imagine the chaos if the 5.5 million+ British expats came back to the UK and had to find work !