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Not to tell mum that my brother is threatening to kill himself again?

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bupcakesandcunting · 03/03/2011 11:57

Back story here if you can be arsed Smile

Basically, my brother (22) is living in Brighton. He moved down there to go to uni' and he left on bad terms with most of his close family because he has basically acted like the biggest twat on earth for the last five years. To cut it short, his girlfriend in Brighton popped up on my FB chat on tuesday asking if I could try and get in touch with DB as she'd finished with him and he had been threatening to kill himself. I told her to let him get on with it as this will be the fifth time in 2 years he has been found out by a girlfriend for cheating on them and got dumped and threatened to kill himself. He has done this to five girls in the last two years Hmm

Now, I thought that I should tell my mum what was going on but decided against ot for a few reasons; a) He is bluffing. He is too self-regarding to ever top himself, b) my mum has had so much stress with him she is in councelling, she worries constantly about him having no money (refuses to get a job, but is constantly out on the lash, I know because I can see his FB) and is constantly sorting his rent out for him etc etc and c) I don't want to feed his cravings for attention. I told his girlfriend as much and told her to ignore him as he just wanted everyone to rally round him.

I know this sounds harsh but I just don't want to know and I don't want to worry my mum. I am sure it is just dramatics. This is what he does when things don't go his way and I think it is sick that rather than deal with his actions, he tries to worm out of it by stooping to this (threatening suicide) I have lost two close people to suicide so I don't take kindly to this nonsense. However, I have a niggling doubt that I was wrong not to tell mum. Can I ask what you think?

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iscream · 05/03/2011 05:39

Hi, oh I am ok, thanks, no worries, I'm a tough old broad. I was shattered 4 years ago, but we have made progress, and my relative is doing much better with medication, we all work on it together. Fine balance between helping and enabling. But thanks for the encouragement.
Hope you are ok bupcakes.

Triggles · 05/03/2011 09:43

I'm going to go against the grain here. First of all, I agree with scottishmummy - you seem to be taking a great deal of enjoyment trotting out his past mistakes and stupidities... even though you prattle on about how it's embarrassing and you'd rather not say it... then you do go ahead and mention it.

I cannot believe you feel it is you right not to let your mother know what is going on. If he were my son, regardless of the trauma involved, and you made the decision not to tell me about it, and he actually DID commit suicide... I'm not sure I would ever forgive you. Do you think, if he does it, that she will thank you for that? I doubt it Hmm... It says a lot about you that you feel it is your right to say "oh he's full of rubbish" and withhold the information from his mother as well as advising the ex-girlfriend to leave him to it basically.

You go on and on about his prior history, but you know what? When someone threatens suicide, do you think emergency services says "oh well they've got a colourful history, they're probably bluffing.." No, they don't. Because you can't tell someone who is going to from someone who isn't ... until it's too late. I worked in emergency services for years in the states, to people who have overdosed and called for help, to people who have literally had a gun at their head, to someone who was sitting in their car with a hose from exhaust to window and just wanted to speak to someone on the phone so that she wasn't really "alone" when she died. The biggest mistake you can make is to assume because they've pulled shit before that they're not serious this time. Because lots of them threaten numerous times before they finally work up the nerve. The threats can be like "testing the waters" to see how it sounds saying it. Because it might be running around in their head, but they're afraid to verbalise it. And if you ignore it at just the wrong time, someone could die. This nonsense about "oh it's the quiet ones that don't threaten, they actually just do it, that you have to worry about..." is just that - complete and utter nonsense. Stupid rubbish that people say that is absolutely not true.

You DO sound far too engrained in his life. It's like you watch him, like a voyeur through fb and such, waiting for him to mess up, so you can gloat about what a numpty he is and make yourself feel smug and better about yourself and your own life. So he's been stupid and isn't perfect. Are you perfect?

So bottom line, yes I think YABU about not telling your mum that your brother is threatening to kill himself. And unbelievably cold and heartless on your mother's behalf. And I hope to God for your mother's sake that nothing happens, because if she finds out you knew and did nothing, it's not going to go over well. And I say this from the viewpoint of having a seriously screwed up problem sibling myself that has gone through many many of the same types of things as your brother, including threatening suicide numerous times, for which I did everything I could each and every time, regardless of whether or not I actually thought they were going to carry it through. THAT is my responsibility as a sibling.

Sitting back now, and not caring if flames fly. Angry

Triggles · 05/03/2011 09:45

and correcting a typo:

worked for emergency services in the states, and "spoke on the phone via 911" (or as it is here 999) to...

LionRock · 05/03/2011 11:39

Bup

I was just thinking about your situation. From what I recall:

  • your brother has a history of manipulating people, in fact it's his standard response to not getting what he wants
  • there's now a pattern of him treating girlfriends badly to the point they dump him, and then he threatens to hurt himself as a way to persuade them to come back to him
  • he hasn't contacted you or any member of his family about these threats, it was targetted at the most recent ex-gf

I was wondering - has he spoken to your mum (or any other family) at all recently? How often does he normally contact her? Has she mentioned anything about speaking to him / not speaking to him / anything else out of the ordinary? I don't know exactly how that's all relevant though, or if in the past he's reached out to his family or if it's always targetted at the person / ex-gf he wants to manipulate....

squeakytoy · 05/03/2011 11:52

Bupcakes. I had an ex who behaved (and still does) exactly like your brother. Everything is for effect and he wouldnt know the truth if it smacked him in the face. I seriously believe he has some sort of mental health problem, because he believes his own lies, and expect everyone else to believe them too, no matter how far fetched and outrageous. He was also manipulative, abusive, and a complete waste of space. It was all attention seeking, he would no more commit suicide than he would turn into Johnny Depp overnight. It was all bullshit to get attention.

bupcakesandcunting · 05/03/2011 16:03

Triggles - you opted to be a mug. I haven't. Think that about sums it up.

Lionrock - no he only contacts mum for cash, never for anything else. Threats are always directed at the girlfriends. The girlfriend before this one he told her that if she got in touch with mum about his threats he would set fire to her house. Hmm She was in such a position, one that he put her in because he wanted the burden to rest squarely on her shoulders.

SqueakyToy - you've nailed it in one.

I've deleted him from my Facebook too. I honestly want to know nothing of his life.

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FattyArbuckel · 05/03/2011 16:46

or his death?

Triggles · 05/03/2011 16:57

In your opinion. I prefer to think that I value her life more than my vanity. But hey, each to his own. Hmm

MollysChambers · 05/03/2011 17:00

OP - Been in this situation with a sibling. Many times. Seen parents ill with stress. Don't tell her.

bupcakesandcunting · 05/03/2011 17:20

He's alive and well. He is out with friends, like he should be. He is fine.

Starving him of the attention worked. This would have still Bern going next weekend if he'd had ex-gf fawning over him.

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galletti · 05/03/2011 17:31

As some-one who lost a dearly loved brother to suicide three years ago, albeit with a very different 'back story', I personally think you should keep an eye on this one. OK, he's alive and well and out with friends, but that doesn't mean he is necessarily of sound mind.

LionRock · 05/03/2011 17:47

Good to hear Smile

I think the facts of your situation may have been lost in the many pages of this thread - it seemed at times to be a general discussion. Of course we can't expect the same actions or responses from all those who threaten suicide any more than we can treat all brothers the same. Seems you're right to trust your gut instinct on this one.

galletti · 06/03/2011 00:04

Lion rock - what if she isn't right?

Whatever17 · 06/03/2011 00:23

Does he make any actual attemps - pills etc?

My Sister made our lives a misery from she was 15 - 30 (she's 10 years older than me - that was fun!) with suicide attempts.

Some of them were quite serious attempts though, one, when she was 18 she was on life support.

Be careful about not telling your Mum.

Maybe he needs to go home for a while and be "re-parented".

Don't be jealous, I was, of the amount of time she took from my parents.

Whatever17 · 06/03/2011 00:28

My sister sorted herself out at about 37. Although she won't speak to any of us now - if that makes her happy - fine.

coinoperatedgirl · 06/03/2011 01:36

You are jealous of someone who honest to god wanted to die (proved by the intensive care entry) whatever?? You need your head examined, fair enough your sister may have taken attention away from you, but for gods sake, you didn't feel bad enough, to want to die.

Whatever17 · 06/03/2011 01:40

cionpoeratedgirl - is that aimed at me? It must be?

coinoperatedgirl · 06/03/2011 01:48

Yes

Whatever17 · 06/03/2011 01:49

If it was - I was 5 when it started and it carried on through my whole childhood. It is very hard to live with a sibling who is so ill.

As an adult I have tried to be friends with her but she is a really nasty person.

coinoperatedgirl · 06/03/2011 01:54

I agree whatever, my sibling is the same, she has a diagnosed personality disorder. No use feeling jealous though, be glad you are not her.

I am still friends with her, although she tries her hardest to manipulate/take advantage of me.

It is very very hard, I try to protect myself and not take any of her shit. Still hard though.

Whatever17 · 06/03/2011 02:03

I said, don't be jealous.

Although I think my sis has done amazing things. I have told her that but she turns on me all the time.

Every time I send her an email to say "Hi - want a coffee?" I get a 4 page vitriolic email in response.

I feel sorry for her, but I can't do anything with her.

She turned up on my doorstep and I was really nice, though shocked as she had just called me all sorts.

She said - you seem nervous - course I fucking was. But she like it that I was nervous.

bupcakesandcunting · 06/03/2011 12:20

Whatever, I totally understand why you might have been jealous as a child. You don't see all of the intricacies of why your sister is getting more time from your parents, you feel pushed to one side.

FWIW, I'm not jealous of my own brother. When we were kids I was very jealous and resentful of him but obviously for other reasons (Reading up on Golden Child syndrome has made me realise a lot of things about our dynamic as siblings) I pity him more than anything. I don't believe he does any of this for any other reason than being manipulative. I've suffered MH problems for a lot of years so I find feigning MH a bit off colour.

Someone asked earlier in the thread if I thought I was perfect. I'm not, I have all sorts of issues. I am foul-tempered, shit with money, lazy, impatient... On the other hand, I don't tend to shit on everyone who loves me and don't go through life making others hurt.

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