AIBU to think non vaccination is child abuse

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There was this discussion in another thread and i thought i would make a new thread so it doesn't over taken someone elses

To me not vaccinating your child is akin to child abuse because you are putting them at undue risk of disease which is preventable due to scare mongering or from quack doctors that have long been struck off the medical register and shunned from the medical community

I hate the assumption that because there has been no reported cases it means you shouldn't vaccinate your children it's because children have been vaccinated regularly that there has not been a epidemic

leading doctors (not the quacks) have been worried for some time about the rise of mumps because of the scare mongering and children not getting vaccinated and get seriously Ill and have to be saved by modern medicine (which quack parents are always keen to take up on with there anti vaccination stance)

rubella has a incubation period as many other diseases so if your child has it and you dont know and child is near a pregnant woman and she loses her child due to non immunisation I don't understand how as a parent you'd do that to another person

So the long and short of it is why are some parents touched in the head and think they have the right for there child to possibly kill unborn children and infect younger babies too young to have the choice (and for those saying this is far fetched its as plausible of something going wrong from immunisations)

I hate threads like these.

I hate them because I vaccinated my DD1 like a good little herd animal citizen and she passed out, remained unconscious for 6 hours, woke up screaming and has never been the same since.

Her health was destroyed. She failed to thrive and at one point the doctor told us that a bout of flu or gastric illness would kill her.

Her little sister is not vaccinated.

OP you sound very stupid.

I live in a tropical country, which has all the usual childhood diseases and some fab mosquito vector ones too. I have met two British and American parents who have not vaccinated against ANYTHING. Not tetanus, not polio, not yellow fever, (deadly, no cure).

I mean, not POLIO??? It's a killed virus (in the formulation given here). And there's still a fair number of cases going on here.

I wouldn't normally say not vaccinating is child abuse, but I think this is certainly neglect.

Not vaccinating against MMR in the UK certainly isn't child abuse - it's ignorant and selfish (although some children are clearly contra-indicated), but not abusive.

(I've not met a local parent here who has failed to vaccinate their children with everything available on the government scheme. I guess with a less robust medical support network, they reckon best go with vaccination. But that's a decision-making process.)

beachcomber you have all my sympathies. my uncle nearly died after a vaccination and was in hospital for months. hope your lo doesnt suffer too much. a hug (i cant do the icons)

I don;t beleive I am touched in the ehad for not giving MMR to ds4 (he ahs had measles, will have rubella when I have any money, and mumps not being available to me is not by choice).

I Do think there is something seriously awry with the processing of someone who cannot understand that someone with 2 diagnosed autistic children, who has watched a child regress post-MMR from whatever cause, and has noted ASD traits in that 4th baby would avoid ANY risk going, however unlikely.

One does not have to agree; but I would expect people to understand for sure.

What does semi-scientifically educated mean? Am not middle class anyway, but doing an MA in Autism so know a little more than most about the lack of known aetiology.

"Anyone who looks at all the research at source and is able to understand it would vaccinate their kids. If the problem is that people can't understand the information then I think the decision should be taken out of the hands of parents and put into the hands of people who are qualified to interpret research."

buttonmooncup, I can assure you that I'm capable of understanding the research and don't need to have myself or my healthy children forced to have various bits of chemicals and animal parts (and in some cases, live virus) by the state. I could argue that the shite most of you put into your children by feeding them meat is detrimental to their health and to the long-term wellbeing of greater society but I don't call for compulsory vegetarianism/veganism, nor do I advocate it for anyone else's children or call anyone a child abuser for not doing so. (Animal abuser, maybe... ).

AM not sure I am selfish either; I would take ds4 out of school for a while f requested during a mumps outbreak to protect other children. Absolutely.

It's the differnece betwene macro and micro decision making: on a national basis MMR is probably right; on a family one though we have freakishly obvious genetic patterns of ASD and other horrible manifestations, and I do not think people like us are common ebnough to show in most research anyway.

Now if I gave MMR and he regressed- and not saying he would, am firmly undecided either way- I wonder who would be there in their unselfish eagerness to help? becuase you see with a very few exceptions nobody is for the others. So I do think about what we need first. it's not my natural inclination tbh but I ahve to or we go under unnoticed.

Forget wakefield, has anyone ever been in to the jabs website and read the numerous stories about children who have been vaccine damaged?

I'm sure as parents we all agree that nobody knows our own children as well as their mother or father. Are all these parents whose children were fine before the vacinations wrong? Even hcp tell parents to trust their instincts when their child is I'll because nobody knows the child better.

Sorry for all the typos, have a sleeping baby in my arms and am typing left handed.

Actually mogadored I disagree with that statement. There are plenty of reasons why a parent might attribute developmental or health problems to vaccines. It might not be correct and yes, the parents may be wrong.

Not to say that vaccine damage can't happen. Just that the chances of it happening and the effects of it are less than the disease. Any intervention carries risk, vaccines aren't risk free, they're just less risky than the disease they're vaccinating against.

YAB TOTALLY AND UTTERLY U, OP.

It's just semantics val clearly there are some working class who don't and most middle class do, including humanities grads!

I can't be arsed to really engage with such an inflammatory and frankly beyond thick OP. I will however ask a question: do all of you that trust the govt, nhs and scientific research acknowledge that you have been lied to? Just one instance: thimerosal was claimed to be totally safe as a component of many vaccines. When every other western country withdrew it on safety grounds the UK finally did so, but there was repeated denial that this was on safety grounds. Do you think that having been treated so utterly shoddily in the very recent past (this happened in the last 7 yrs so any of you with older dc had them vaccinated with mercury) you can trust the medical establishment wrt the multi billion pound vaccine industry?

Vaccinate or don't, but do not for a second believe that your child's wellbeing will come before the needs of the pharmaceutical industry to increase profits (keep developing vaccines and rewriting mild childhood diseases as killers chicken pox next up) and the govt need to keep big pharma donating and researchers needs for funding.

I don't think it's child abuse not to vaccinate your child; negligent parenting is more my feeling.

Just because you have decide there is a link, doesn't mean there is a link.
My son has a bowel problem, digestive issues, was a FTT toddler, and a speech delay. The main onset of symptoms was just after his MMR. I could have easily have decided that it was caused by that. But logic, science and all that jazz means that you don't get to just leap to those conclusions.
Nobody knows your child like you is just bollocks when it comes to medicine, unless you are a doctor, and even then professional judgement is clouded by presonal emotion.

Sophable, I went private with DC1 to avoid mercury in a vaccine. I still had him vaccinated, just minus the mercury. There was good research to show mercury MIGHT be a problem.

But as the mercury had been removed by the time the other DC were being vaccinated, I had them vaccinated at our GPs office.

Do research, sure, but don't make wide-ranging, vague, paranoid statements about government/corporate plots to poison our babies. The vast weight of evidence is that MMR (mercury-free!) is as safe as any vaccine can be.

I guess you need to tell yourself that though buzz to help you live with the guilt.

Vallhala - you are just repeating the scaremongering by talking about various chemicals as if that in itself is dangerous. Chemicals are not in themselves dangerous - hydrogen dioxide anyone? I ingest it on a daily basis along with thousands of other chemicals. What do you make of the actual evidence?

Out of line, BasketWeaver.

Basket

I disagree with buzz as it gies but your comment is fucking vile.

I don't understand-if you don't agree with it don't do it. Why are people screaming like banshees about it?

Buzz.
We couldn't be further apart on this tbh but I am sorry you had to take that shit from basket.

I am pretty robust about myself but people being sneery about my choices for my child annoy me immensely. You getting it from the other side of the argument annoys me just as much.

And that is why I hate fuck head threads like this.

Haha dihydrogen monoxide even - sounds scarier if anything!

LOTM The only thing I get worked up about is medical denialism. It's a dangerous movement.

And disgusting comment basket as well as being completely wrong.

I presume because people feel attacked about their choices. In the end, every parent has to make the choices that they think are right. I had both my DS's fully vaccinated, btw. But then I have damaged eyesight from measles. Our choices are led by our own experiences.

I Apologise, as the aunt of a vaccine damaged child this subject is far too emotive. >