AIBU to think non vaccination is child abuse

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There was this discussion in another thread and i thought i would make a new thread so it doesn't over taken someone elses

To me not vaccinating your child is akin to child abuse because you are putting them at undue risk of disease which is preventable due to scare mongering or from quack doctors that have long been struck off the medical register and shunned from the medical community

I hate the assumption that because there has been no reported cases it means you shouldn't vaccinate your children it's because children have been vaccinated regularly that there has not been a epidemic

leading doctors (not the quacks) have been worried for some time about the rise of mumps because of the scare mongering and children not getting vaccinated and get seriously Ill and have to be saved by modern medicine (which quack parents are always keen to take up on with there anti vaccination stance)

rubella has a incubation period as many other diseases so if your child has it and you dont know and child is near a pregnant woman and she loses her child due to non immunisation I don't understand how as a parent you'd do that to another person

So the long and short of it is why are some parents touched in the head and think they have the right for there child to possibly kill unborn children and infect younger babies too young to have the choice (and for those saying this is far fetched its as plausible of something going wrong from immunisations)

thats made me even more unsure about mmr jab now starlight lol.

SORRY SORRY SORRY.

1988 not 1998.

The vaccine was, as correctly pointed out by bubbley, withdrawn in 1992.

Apologies for stupid typo.

I'm very interested in what was mentioned about seizures. My cousin's little boy has been hospitalised several times recently with unexplained seizures - they were calling them febrile convulsions even though he didn't have a fever. He has also had sone bowel problems and he us on a special diet to relieve the symptoms. I must get chatting to my cousin about it and see when she noticed the changes....

Bubble my friend was eventually told by a hcp they always call them febrile convulsions if they have one or two and only call them something else once you get to the second or third one. She was .

that's reassuring saintly! He's definitely had more than 3 now. I think he's been referred for an MRI.

I really wish I had brought DS' illness to the attention of the hospital now. He was so very sick after MMR. We did go to an after-hours doctor at the hospital on a Sunday saying that he hadn't stopped with the D&V for days but we were just told to give dioralyte.

To a BF child who would drink nothing else. We tried water and he couldn't even keep a few sips down.

If he had been admitted seriously dehydrated and sedated on IV fluids perhaps it would have been recorded or we might have had some explanation as to why he was so ill.

Perhaps

We have had the same experience - they were happy to call them febrile convulsions until DD had had 3 or 4.

We were then referred for a scan. I think a big part of the decision to do the scan was that DD was six when she had the fourth one and they thought she was getting a bit old for febrile convulsions. (She had had 2 episodes with a temperature and 2 without).

"I support the anti-vac plight because the misconceptions and ignorance surrounding their choice not to vaccinate is quite astounding."

Completely echo this. I am astounded that people have no shame -apparently - about saying, more or less: you are lying or hysterical. With no grounds at all, and when challenged on their own "evidence" or cogency, will just ignore and deny, ignore and deny. And this to parents who started from a basis of trust!

"I have read most of what they have, and I can certainly understand why they have made the choices they have."

Agree agree agree. Though I wish I could say I'd read as much as any of 'em.

(it's me under yet another name change by the way, must be about my tenth now on the vax threads)

None of this sits well with the "we are working hard to identify issues" argument. It seems to me (from the outside -- no personal experience) from these stories that it's not just a case of ignoring. Active efforts are made not to identify issues. Active efforts to explain away issues without any attempt to investigate for fear of what could be found.

Mists you can yellow card/report it yourself. This is kept very very quiet though - when really we should all know about it imo.

you can do it here I doubt it will lead to anything useful for your son, but at least if something is recorded it's a start.

oh and mists I doubt you would have had an explanation. The closest anyone I know has got was one of the ones who ended up in HDU. The paediatrician said he felt MMR probably was at least contributory but would be hard to ever tell one way or another. No further tests or samples taken.

His regression followed and of course no-one is allowed to even suggest a link now.

saintly thanks for the link.

I am so sorry about your DS I have been reading your posts on the SN board for ages and on these threads but had never heard the back-story.

Stata: you've disappeared because no doubt this is all too difficult for you to read, because you pretend it isn't happening.

If you are ever able to accept it, it would be nice to have a response that isn't offensively dismissive.

ah don't worry mists. He's a lovely happy boy, coming up to 12 and keeps us very busy. The regression was so very long ago that now it's more fact finding to see what happened rather than anything else. I'm just pleased we did what we did with ds2 and ds3 - esp ds3 who I suspect does carry a predisposition of some sort. He's 6 and fine.

Good to know saintly, about all your boys

thanks for pointing that out bubbley

No problem flipper - I knew it was just a slip up. As you can see BC knows her stuff! :)

lol - flippin! not flipper! :)

call me what you like!! I'm name changed atm and can't work out what I want to call myself! I need ideas!

OP YANBU
Anti vaccine types could have a look at the Australian Vaccination Network (despite its name it's anti vaccine). They advocate homeopathy over vaccination. It's okay to inject the "memory" or the vaccine not the vaccine. The head of AVN, Meryl Dorey claimed (following the death of a baby from whooping cough) that no one ever dies from the disease, and described her own children's case of the disease as a "storm in a teacup" that was easily handled with natural remedies. You can see the Wikipedia article or visit their website, but I remember seeing her on the TV saying this at the time.

The AVN is based on the mid north coast of New South Wales which has the lowest vaccination rates in Australia (70% ish), and seen recent fatal outbreaks of whooping cough and measles.

Coorong, would you like to explain the outbreak of 21,000 cases of whooping cough in the US, an issue which is "puzzling" health officials because of the region's high vaccination coverage?

Or do you, perhaps, not know very much about this subject at all?

But coorong the point is that most people on this thread are not 'anti vaccine' they have made a conscious decision not to give some vaccines to some / all of their children for medical reasons

coorong - you need to read the thread before you start agreeing with the ridiculous notion that choosing not to vaccinate = child abuse You are belittling every case of genuine abuse by doing so!