AIBU to think non vaccination is child abuse

[alittlevoice]

There was this discussion in another thread and i thought i would make a new thread so it doesn't over taken someone elses

To me not vaccinating your child is akin to child abuse because you are putting them at undue risk of disease which is preventable due to scare mongering or from quack doctors that have long been struck off the medical register and shunned from the medical community

I hate the assumption that because there has been no reported cases it means you shouldn't vaccinate your children it's because children have been vaccinated regularly that there has not been a epidemic

leading doctors (not the quacks) have been worried for some time about the rise of mumps because of the scare mongering and children not getting vaccinated and get seriously Ill and have to be saved by modern medicine (which quack parents are always keen to take up on with there anti vaccination stance)

rubella has a incubation period as many other diseases so if your child has it and you dont know and child is near a pregnant woman and she loses her child due to non immunisation I don't understand how as a parent you'd do that to another person

So the long and short of it is why are some parents touched in the head and think they have the right for there child to possibly kill unborn children and infect younger babies too young to have the choice (and for those saying this is far fetched its as plausible of something going wrong from immunisations)

Stata - do you think people should vaccinate their kids against chicken pox? If yes why if no why not etc

Stat, you clearly have not read any of the autism research that has been carried out.

I suggest you do so before loudly claiming that most of what it says is not being said.

you may well ahve read some of the vaccine research, but as has been stated again and again - the studies you cite when apparently trying to shore up your arguement are flawed, and do not actually say what you want them to say.

try starting your search at the other end - looking at the children that many of the posters here are actually talking about. and reading the research that is being carried out into their types of autism.

No, vaccines are safer all the time. If you make a statement, please show the evidence to back it up. Otherwise you're making it up as you go along imo.

The a priori risk is not 100% starlight. That's ridiculous.

Plesae show me evidence of a link between vaccines and autism. I am seriously interested and not in a snarky way. I may have missed it.

I think chicken pox is an individual choice as the other vaxes. It's an unpleaasnt but not dangerous dz. Less risks to getting the dz compared to others. I vaxed mine. I felt the risks were minimal, if at all, and would rather save my children the unpleasantness (and risk, albeit small) of chicken pox.

Well, then, altinkum, you made an evidence based decision. That's great.

"No, vaccines are safer all the time"

Even for altinkum's son?

Stata, can you not accept that for some children, vaccines are MORE dangerous - no one is saying this is true for the majority but vaccines can and do cause harm - they are not always the safest option.

My DS1 has ASD and I used to get totally fed up with people constantly assuming that he somehow got it as a result of vaccination. We were always being asked about this, with the implication that it was our fault for having him vaccinated. He had it from birth and I am 100% sure of that.

Also, I am old enough to remember seeing people with damage from polio when I was a child. I caught measles myself and was very ill - hallucinating and trying to jump out of the window. My mother tells me about the horrible diseases so many children had when she was young - she caught something herself and ended up in hospital surrounded by loads of other kids in the same situation.

I wouldn't want to go back to those days for anything.

The point is that if the evidence suggests that it is more risky for your child to be vaxed then of course the right decision is not to vax and to benefit from the herd imunity of others who can vax.

If there is no evidence to suggest that your child is at more risk, then there is no reason not to vax.

Rejection of the efficacy of vaccines, exaggeration of the risk of vaccines and rejection of the real risks of the dzs are all misinformed.

What I have a problem is the rejection of scientific enquiry and medical denialism. It's not just for vax, we had the same problem with Mbeki and HIV - and the discourse was frigtheningly similar.

Stata - just wanted to pop in and say that the majority of people agree with you even though you are a lone light of common sense on this thread, I am sure that many others like me have just given up on the hardliners here who are anti-vaccine. There is no reasoning with most of these people, not because they are right, but because they are desperate to be right against all evidence and odds because to be otherwise would be to admit they are putting their kids in danger.

I do accept that bubbly. But those groups have been identified eg children with severe allergies to the ingredients in the vaccine, immuno-compromised children etc.

I just can't stand the complete BS that's being spouted here. I may get ground down after a while

Stata - I too have been reading this thread and have been impressed with your stance. I think it's just that most people will not bother to post.

Stata - what are your thoguhts about the Banks and Poling rulings, if you do not believe that vaccines may trigger autism?

Cannot beleive this is still going.

Evidence is only there if someone has looked for it. I remember everyone saying 'there is no evidence that BSE can pass to humans' - no there wasn't then, but it was still wrong as was later shown.

There is no inclination to look for evidence that vaccinations are not safe as most of the research is funded by the drug companies so why would they do research that says their products are unsafe?

Statistics can say what you want them to say

Another vote of confidence from me Stata!!!

Leonie

Your unvaccinated children have autism and yet autism is on the increase due to vaccines?? Could it not be the case that is autism is on the rise ... a very big if it is another enviromental trigger is the cause e.g. a virus like CMV, rubella???????

oh jesus.

not the anti-vax argument again. doesn't anyone ever read any of these threads?

I am not anti vax. my dd1 had all her jabs. and the medical denialism that has gone on since (for the most part. I now thankfully have a team of medics who will accept and treat dd1) has left me no doubt whatsoever that I do not want to do the same for dd2.

that and her mitochondrial dysfunction, of course.

but still I get idiots tellign me I now nothing, am not able to evaluate research, and that I should vax my children for the good of society.

"Rejection of the efficacy of vaccines, exaggeration of the risk of vaccines and rejection of the real risks of the dzs are all misinformed. "

I see these things in a different way - exaggeration of the efficacy of vaccines, rejecting that vaccines can and do cause harm and exaggeration of the diseases. The last one really bugs me - if I hear one more person say how we should protect our children against those deadly diseases - rubella and mumps I will scream. Same goes for people talking about the risks of polio in the UK and thinking that polio = paralysis for anyone who comes into contact with it!

silverfrog LOL! No-one's listening because they're all too busy thrashing it out; can't believe the stamina of these posters.