AIBU to think non vaccination is child abuse

[alittlevoice]

There was this discussion in another thread and i thought i would make a new thread so it doesn't over taken someone elses

To me not vaccinating your child is akin to child abuse because you are putting them at undue risk of disease which is preventable due to scare mongering or from quack doctors that have long been struck off the medical register and shunned from the medical community

I hate the assumption that because there has been no reported cases it means you shouldn't vaccinate your children it's because children have been vaccinated regularly that there has not been a epidemic

leading doctors (not the quacks) have been worried for some time about the rise of mumps because of the scare mongering and children not getting vaccinated and get seriously Ill and have to be saved by modern medicine (which quack parents are always keen to take up on with there anti vaccination stance)

rubella has a incubation period as many other diseases so if your child has it and you dont know and child is near a pregnant woman and she loses her child due to non immunisation I don't understand how as a parent you'd do that to another person

So the long and short of it is why are some parents touched in the head and think they have the right for there child to possibly kill unborn children and infect younger babies too young to have the choice (and for those saying this is far fetched its as plausible of something going wrong from immunisations)

You have no evidence that your children will become collateral damage. You clearly reject scientific enquiry as the basis for decision making. Please be open about it.

No it's not starlight. The a priori risk is not 100% for any child.

Stata, do you agree that children can regress into autism after a virus?

do you agree that it is unwise to vaccinate without caution if there is a mitochondrial dysfunction?

Op did you vaccinate against chicken pox? This is a very important vaccination that is routinely ignored by parents who are pro vaccinations as they have to go privately for it - if you are pro vaccine, a chicken pox vaccine must be important to you too?

As I have repeated, there is no link between autism and vaccines. Children are exposed to endless viruses and bacteria all the time. Why you obsess about vaccines is not based in the evidence.

then it wasn't risk starlight. It's like saying that after a car crash that the risk of the car crashing was 100%.

Children who are allergic to the ingredients in the vaccines may form one of the groups for whom vaccines are not appropriate. There is no link between giving a vaccines and developing an allergy.

There is no evidence to suggest that your children are at any higher risk than other children.

Your intuition doesn't count as scientific enquiry. Your position is one of a medical denialist.

I don't care if people 'crawl out of the woodwork'. I work in a related field and I know what the evidence says.

Stata - have you looked at the kind of research going on amongst people interested in autism, rather than people interested in vaccines? I can't remember the details, but there's an MNer with an autistic child who has a PhD in one field and was studying for a PhD in something to do with autism, who described some very interesting lines of enquiry discussed at an autism research conference.

My sister's an LD nurse and has cared for plenty of people who have LDs as a result of vaccine damage (of all age groups) which is documented in their records. Of course many of them will be related to vaccines delivered decades ago. But it's clearly wrong to say there is no possible link between vaccines and adverse effects. All medicines have potential adverse effects. The current state of evidence does not seem to suggest anything as crude as 'vaccine X causes autism' but there may be some interesting research to come.

Altinkum - from all the threads I have read where she talks about her baby's allergies, etc is very well informed and I think
It is quite disrespectful to talk as if you know better than her on a subject she has had to become very clued up On...

(I mean, her existing PhD is biosciences so she knows how to read medical research.)

There are nto a set of characterisitcs by which you can determine the very few children who may be damaged by vaccines. Allergic reaction is one of them for example and such children might not be vaccinated.

In which case, edam, I'll change my position according to the best available evidence. But that's not what the evidence currently suggests.

Numbers are not growing. Vaccines are becoming safer all the time.

Sorry, anecdote doesn't swing it for me.

Altinkim - sorry but you've completely misread my argument. Have a reread. I've posted enough.

Vaccines are safer than the alternative starlight. Nothign is risk free.

As I've said before, show me the evidence and I'll reconsider. SHoutign, jumping up and down and stamping your feet won't have any effect.