to give jabs to dts against ex-p wishes?

[ladyfirenze]

Dts are six. For long and boring reasons which I'm happy to discuss, but aren't the issue in question, they are not vaccinated. Recently I've come under pressure to have them done, and I'm happy to go ahead, but ex p was against it when the boys were born (as was I). He rowed with his pro-jab family terribly over it.

We aren't able to discuss things unfortunately, as whatever I say seems to finish with him flying off the handle during a change over, so I stay indoors when he comes to collect the children. Sad, I know.

But what the fuck shall I do about these vaccinations?

Sorry, I'm back. Could not resist.

I am so pleased that you are reading the Cochrane reports. IMO, they are the most balanced. Happy reading. :)

heres the summary from the Cochrane review;

"Summary
Using the combined vaccine for protection of children against measles, mumps and rubella
Measles, mumps and rubella are three very dangerous infectious diseases which cause a heavy disease, disability and death burden in the developing world. Researchers from the Cochrane Vaccines Field reviewed 139 studies conducted to assess the effects of the live attenuated combined vaccine to prevent measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) in children. MMR protects children against infections of the upper airways but very rarely may cause a benign form of bleeding under the skin and milder forms of measles, mumps and rubella. No credible evidence of an involvement of MMR with either autism or Crohn's disease was found. No field studies of the vaccine's effectiveness were found but the impact of mass immunisation on the elimination of the diseases has been demonstrated worldwide"

Pretty damn clear I would have thought.

linky here

I have not figured out how to do links. thanks buzz

I don't know though this was the same mw that said my ds was high risk of having downs from a blood test.It was actually because my dates were wrong from the dates she thought I was

Bubbley, your statement lacks logic

Quote: LW - but 0.026% of 1 million sf cases is considerably more than 0.02% of a few thousand measles cases - yet if you even suggest not vaccinating against measles people think you're mad!

The measles rate would not be as low as a few thousand if it were not for the vaccination in the first place! Ergo, if enough people decide not to vaccinate, we will start getting large epidemics again and suddenly you will be back up looking at hundreds of childhood deaths a year which are completely preventable.

No one denies that antibiotics and increases in sanitation decreased the mortality rate considerably, but there were still hundreds of deaths. It was the vaccine that brought the levels down to zero/single figures.

Also, no one has mentioned that there are still 164000 deaths worldwide from measles today. Between 2000 and 2008 vaccination reduced deaths by 78% worldwide. We were on target to eradicate it, as smallpox has been eradicated. But now that hope is fading fast because of people refusing vaccines.

In my own borough measles is once again endemic. With a concerted effort we could eradicate this deadly disease worldwide, but it does require people to take responsibility, not just leave it to others. I can't understand why anyone wouldn't want to see this disease eradicated.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.