to give jabs to dts against ex-p wishes?

[ladyfirenze]

Dts are six. For long and boring reasons which I'm happy to discuss, but aren't the issue in question, they are not vaccinated. Recently I've come under pressure to have them done, and I'm happy to go ahead, but ex p was against it when the boys were born (as was I). He rowed with his pro-jab family terribly over it.

We aren't able to discuss things unfortunately, as whatever I say seems to finish with him flying off the handle during a change over, so I stay indoors when he comes to collect the children. Sad, I know.

But what the fuck shall I do about these vaccinations?

I think that the trouble is you are trying to make a decision about something you are not qualified to judge. You don't have a medical qualification. In such a case, you need to rely on the advice of experts. So if your doctor says vaccinate, you should vaccinate.

I struggle with the whole idea of being able to research this properly. I've been exposed to some hard core anti-jab brainwashing in the past, which was about tiny de-activated parts of the changed virus hiding dormant inside the nucleus of a cell, later causing all manner of auto immune diseases. The online research tends to concentrate on the problem in America when the carrier fluid used in jabs was full of mercury, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case now, and in the uk we use albumen I think.....

the other problem with pharmecutical research is that isn't funded by a drug company.

I'd welcome any good links on the whole issue - if for no reason than to solidify my feelings now.

sorry - is funded

The Cochrane CollaborationCochrane Reviews are systematic reviews of primary research in human health care and health policy.www You can access them here: cochrane.org/cochrane-reviews

Get them vaccinnated. The risk of side effects is very small, a lot smaller than the risk of them getting complications from diseases such as mumps and measles (measles can kill). Your H can fuck off with his misinformed hippy bullshit. (Has he actually got a clue or is he just fucking you around?)
Vaccination, like proper sanitation and contraception, is one of the hallmarks of a civilised society.

I think if you both have PR, you could get in trouble for doing medical things without ex-p's consent. I'd seek legal advice.

Sorry about the situation with your mum, I can relate: mine chooses homeopathy over vaccinations, antibiotics, and is generally suspicious of proper doctors. She also likes ayurveda. Thing is, she doesn't actually know anything about it, so all it is for her is that she adds spices to her food (to make it easier to digest apparently), but in minuscule amounts so you can't even taste them, and then she feels all radical.

My DD has had all her normal vaccinations.

In short: legal advice is good.

MrsRhettButler - you cannot give children single jabs for the MMR any more - they have stopped making the single mumps vaccine. So either you do without mumps altogether, or you give your child the MMR

ex spring chicken!!! and yes, I do think he's just trying to fuck with my shit. hang on, off to look at cochrane reviews [grins] thanks fantastic

sorry but i dont just blindly follow the 'current medical advice' the fact that they keep changing their minds shows just how much they really know... i'm not being so obnoxious to think that i know more but i honestly cant trust people who change the info so often, on the other hand i do trust that a parent knows their child well enough to notice a change

i wasn't aware of that ladybiscuit, thanks, i was planning on looking into it all further in the coming months...

i'm not saying i'm right in my views i'm just saying i dont know and i want to investigate further

:)

My DS had singles (on my dad's insistence - he paid) but I've now had to give him the MMR because of the lack of mumps vaccine so he's now had double doses of the other two. I think clinics might be a bit more honest nowadays but they were taking people's money a few years' ago when they knew damn well they couldn't get the vaccine. I have to say the entire episode made me extremely wary of the motivation behind the clinics (the one we went to went into administration shortly after we went there)

ladyfirenze

I don't know if you know this but Andrew Wakefield, the doctor who set off the whole MMR scare, has been found guilty of unethical behaviour and not following research protocol and has been struck off. The original paper in the Lancet has been withdrawn by most of the authors.

[http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Vaccines/multiplevaccines.html from the CDC]

[http://www.hpa.org.uk/Topics/InfectiousDiseases/InfectionsAZ/MMR/GeneralInformation/ the HPA on the MMR]

wow! thats disgusting lady, did you try to complain?

so basically there is no choice now of having them separately? i was under the impression that a lot of people believe that 3 at once is too much for a young baby.... i really need to do some research because i dont agree with NOT having them at all i was just hoping not to have them done all at once

at the moment you can get measles and rubella as singles, but not the mumps

this may well change in the future tho

the baby jabs are more complicated because you can only get the 5-in-one mostly. the old 3-in-one was still available, but not sure if it still is. but you cannot get, for example, a single tetanus shot (it'll be either 3 or 5 in one)

stata.. i don't think the OP is even talking aboutt he MMR. she is worried about tetanus and polio

I got the money back for the mumps vaccine but there wasn't anyone to complain to given that they put the company into administration :o

I work in a nursery and have seen the effects of children not being vacinated and it is the worst thing

This baby caught mumps from another child whose parents thought injections were bad (another one of those parents who are infact crazy) and this little baby got so sick from getting it from a infected child it was horriable

Baby was too young to get the injection and so suffered the concequence of this neglectfull parent who didnt want there child vacinated

Always vacinate never mind what scaremongering goes on it is always best and before i get attacked if you for some reason have been wacked in the head so many times you choose not to then keep your child away from babies and any other child because you dont know what your child has as there are many different incubation periods where you are symptom free for a lot of illness

I thought the children were completely unvaxed and MMR is usually the most controverisal.

Personally, I wouldn't be all that worried about polio in the UK although I'd still vax.

yes, they are un-vaxed. but if you read, the op was worried about cuts and tetanus and stuff. not necessarily the effects of the MMR

yes, I did read that was what prompted her to post. But I'm guessing she's not going to just vax against tetanus and polio but the whole range of diseases that vax are available for.

Whether or not vaccination is safe isn't really the issue is it? Surely it's about being respectful of each other's wishes for your children.

I really think it would be quite under hand to get the vaccinations done without your partner knowing/his permission.

Perhaps you should seek mediation so the issue can be discussed amicably and a decision made together?

they are completely un-vaxed at present, and yes it's no use just tetanus and polio is it? In for a penny.... but that still leaves many issues, such as a schedule, combined jabs etc.

But really, if it was the other way round, and he did something like this I'd be inconsolable. And what if something did actually go wrong....

no, maybe I abu. The letter idea sounds plausible. Or email perhaps.

hopefulgum, you do realsie he's my ex and we barely speak don't you?

i think thats why she suggested mediation op, i think you have just answered your own question anyway :)good luck with whatever you decide