to think that this country is a total farce!

[mamaLou13]

i just think the sooner my family get out of this country the better. Its ridiculous. Human rights has gone mad . The prison system is ludicrous! The immigration laws are a joke. Britain has lost almost all the values we used to stand for. Where i live british people are a minority/ stranger in our own country its unbelieveable that it has got to this point. The 'democracy' we live in is far to leanient. I am disgusted that we allow such things as the burkha here i believe that like france, Britain should ban it. So much money is being spent to enable life to be better for those who come here and claim our benefits, translators etc and running the NHS into the ground.... aibu to wonder WHAT ABOUT US BRITS????

no mama - that's not what I said (the reason the discussion came up was because I had to send DS2 into school in his trainers for the end of the last half term). The school said to me there was nothing they could do about it even if they wanted to). It is an excellent school.

OP what is your response to this information regarding the habit?

Umm... don't really understanding the 'people like you' comment. As you know nothing about me, can you explain who I am and what I am doing to ruin the country?

You do realise that using terms like 'dearest' before someone's 'name' makes you sound deeply unpleasant and more than a little nervous of the battle you've found yourself in, don't you?

This country has got its problems - but it is when people sit and try and blame the immigrants, the prisons system the benifit system that you know those are the people that have torn the guts out of the country - not the people they are trying to lay blame on.

There are those that will stick it out and will eventually bounce back and the good times will circle again - though it is going to be a big circle this time.

There are some fantastic countries in the world but no where is perfect, and when you find near perfection it will carrying on changing anyhow and coem full cirlce in that country to.

Its a bit like a teenager running away from their problems

Got to pop out to see a lady who was not born in this country but who I am very pleased came to live here as she's a) lovely and b) got a wicked way with a piece of thread!

My eyebrows love her!

1. If you are only reading one news source a week, I recommend you switch from the Sun. Or Daily Mail. Or whatever racist right wing rag you've been reading and try something different.

1. Good luck being an immigrant. Really, all the best. Technically, I am one in the UK (but hold a British passport as my DF was born in the UK), and it does get a bit depressing when you work hard, pay taxes, don't spit and don't pee in public and you're still treated like something scraped off the bottom of their shoe by moronic idiots. Moronic, practically illiterate (have you seen your spelling? Second degree? In what? Oriental Basket-Weaving) bile filled idiots like you actually.

1. Seriously - what is wrong with respecting human rights? Would you prefer the UK didn't respect human rights? I recommend a quick visit to Bahrain to Pearl Square or Libya to experience a government that has little regard for the dignities and rights of human beings

out of interest OP, what do you suggest needs to happen to get this country back the way it should be?

Op - I'm intrigued to know if you were lying Ill in hospital, would you turn down treatment from one of those "immigrant" doctors and nurses?

good question citrus - or if she went to the pharmacy to pick up a vital prescription and was served by my exBIL - a pharmacy manager - would she refuse to take the medicine. Or perhaps if her family needed support in some way would she turn away my exSIL who is a family support worker?

Maybe we could bring back public hanging?

Or workhouses for the poor.

and the rack, and all those other wonderful [hmm[ medevial punishments for criminals (or just those that society didn't like the look of)

I'm intrigued about the school OP sends her DC to - let me see, what was it? Oh yes:
"If you decide to send your child to a school where they don't enforce many rules then gr8 4 u but i choose not to!"
Just curious.... what kind of school are we talking about here OP?

Well, obviously the OP and her children have not been sent to schools where English grammar and spelling are considered to be important.

that comment is equally true of ifancyashandy and also to ifancyashandy i do not consider this a battle more of an exchange of opinions! you lot can battle on...! haha

mamalou

what are your suggestions for getting the country back the way it should be?

Am genuinely cOnfused - which comment is equally true of me?

Also, OP, what are you thoughts on the burkha now it's similarities (in origin) to the habit have been outlined?

And again, I ask - since you know very little about me - how I am responsible for 'the state we're in'.

You're not massively fond of answering the more tricky questions, are you?

Oh and 'battle' merely a turn of phrase.

and I suppose I'm to blame too for "the state we're in", being an imigrant?

OP has a point. The Human Rights Act has resulted in some strange decisions. Not only the Daily Mail got upset about those. The prison system is not ideal, sentencing not always how your average citizen might imagine to be right and just. The UK Governments of the recent past have made decisions on immigration policy which can rightly be questioned. The burka brings with it a number of human rights issues besides the (possibly fictional) security issue. Money is spent on translators for those whose English is poor. It is incumbent on UK residents to learn the local language.
However, I do not believe that Britain has lost all the values we, our parents or grandparents used to stand for, and certainly some of our altered perceptions are an improvement on how things were 'back then'. I do not believe that those people we all can guess are meant by "us Brits" have such a raw deal. Life is as good or as bad for us all.
Lastly, moving to another country is not the solution. There are new challenges there. We should not blame foreigners, recent immigrants, people of ethnicities different to our own for all our woes. Can we perhaps differentiate the issues here? And OP, please get a life!

God, OP, you should really know how these sort of threads go down after a month or so of being on here!

Here really isn't the place to state viewpoints such as yours as you will just get flamed.

Whilst I may not agree with all you points elated, you state you arguments constantly and give pause for thought. Not saying which point I agree with the most though