in thinking jesus can NOT cure homosexuality as it is NOT an illness

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christian lady has written a book claiming jesus can cure homosexuality

I'm not getting into the debate of wether there is a God/Jesus etc. It just this has really mad me angry, how can you cure something that is NOT an illness. I find this extremely insulting and judgemental.

The only counter argument people have found to the negative Scripture about homosexuality is
"Well do YOU eat prawns".

Apart from those of us who think scripture is completely and utterly irrelevant to the question of whether homosexuality is an illness, and wonder if you have any rational reason for thinking it is.

Hmm, so many hats to throw into this ring - born disabled and (by innature nature) lesbian, but having chosen a marriage to a lovely man because I love him, not because he's a bloke...and I'm Christian.

Do I find that my friends who are in civil partnerships are more sinful compared to any other person on the planet? Nope, I don't.

Amber- Correct, this is my point.

It is pointless weighing up sin compared to sin in a worldly way when I am doing it spiritually.

In worldy terms, a paedophile is worse than say, a thief. To God, a sin is a sin is a sin.

No sin is worse than another (apart from denouncing the Holy Spirit, this is the unforgivable sin).

You can't compare worldly logic to spiritual wellbeing.

*worldly

Swallowed- I presume you know the difference between judging and rebuking?

Feels the same when I'm on the receiving end, to be honest, if that's any help?

I don't judge gay people and think "they're terrible people".

I merely rebuke and think "you won't get into the Kingdom of Heaven leading a lifestyle like that".

I don't think any sinner is worse than myself-we are all sinners...the difference is I now know better and am called to not only love people, but to tell them the good news and rebuke certain types of behaviour.

I apologise if you got that impression. I didn't state my beliefs on equality.

Rebuke:
Express sharp disapproval or criticism of (someone) because of their behavior or actions

Oh well that's all right then . Quite how you arrive at the point of rebuking someone if you haven't first judged them I'm not quite sure.

In normal parlance, you are judging. You're making a judgment ('Form an opinion or conclusion about'), based on your interpretation of the Bible, that homosexuals are doing something worthy of rebuke.

You just don't sentence them, that's the part you're leaving to God.

Grimma- that is the dictionary definition of rebuke and not the Biblical one.

the word*

I hate the way Christianity is used as a cover for so much. As a Christian the only person who's sin I have to worry about is my own. I'm not calling homosexuality a sin, just saying it's none of my business if it is or isn't, I'm straight and if someone is a Christian and homosexual then that's something they have to deal with God themselves, not me. If someone is not a Christian then what's the point telling them about their sexuality? If they don't believe in god or that god then it doesn't make any difference to them. I bet other faiths could tell me that things I do are wrong but I don't believe in their god so it makes not one scrap of difference to me what their god "thinks". Better to teach someone about the tolerance of Jesus and His love and sacrifice and let them decide for themselves how they fit in with that when they've made a decision.

I bet many Christians would struggle with me being in a relationship with a (until last week) married man and being on my fourth child with him. Actually I know that Christians I know struggle with it!

that is the dictionary definition of rebuke and not the Biblical one.

Oh blimey. Try just using normal English, it would make for clearer debate. OK, I've looked up a biblical definition here and I think my comment still stands. You don't rebuke someone in that sense either unless in your opinion they're doing something wrong.

You do have to be careful not to confuse the dictionary definition of some words with the Biblical one.

For example in English 'righteous' means 'Morally right or justifiable'

Whereas the bible uses it for example to describe Abraham for being willing to cut his son up with a knife to please god.

Now we would call that something else entirely wouldn't we....

I use that example because I think it's worth remembering that the book which supports these prejudices is full of things like that. We shouldn't be surprised by what it does to people's thinking.

grimma- but the Bible doesn't condemn rebuking the same way it does judging...

I remember being hugely embarrassed by a fellow CU member in a 'Science and Religion' discussion seizing on a standard dictionary usage of the word 'justification' to go off on a completely irrelevant lecture on 'justification by faith'

I do hope she grew out of it before she encountered word processing software...

The Bible doesn't condemn the keeping of slaves (quite the reverse) but that doesn't make slavery acceptable behaviour for civilised people.

People like lady of the manor make me fucking sick.

Never mind, it's an ancient zombie thread, she's probably long gone. (I only noticed because I just spotted a post by myself under a very old previous name)

Jesus doesn't corrupt people, homosexuals corrupt people.