in thinking jesus can NOT cure homosexuality as it is NOT an illness

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christian lady has written a book claiming jesus can cure homosexuality

I'm not getting into the debate of wether there is a God/Jesus etc. It just this has really mad me angry, how can you cure something that is NOT an illness. I find this extremely insulting and judgemental.

Yes - I agree,

swallowedAfly Sun 06-Mar-11 09:28:48
so if your child turns out to believe themselves to be homosexual what will you do lotm? interested to know how you would handle it in light of your beliefs.

If my son chose to persue a homosexual lifestyle, it wouldn't make a difference to me. I would love him, but it doesn't mean I would approve of his lifestyle. I wouldn't "kick him out of the house" but I wouldn't tolerate it "under my roof" anymore than if he was having sexual relations outside of marriage with a girl.

I believe that God makes all men perfect, so homosexuality (in my faith) cannot be from birth as God wouldn't create man like that.

it isn't so much that I chose to be straight, but I grew up knowing that men and women are to be together and not men and men, women and women. It was never an option to be gay-which is fine, because I wouldn't have chosen it anyway.

We can all fight about this forever but it isn't going to change things. I am not the only one to hold these views and I understand some of you don't like it, which is fine. I am not a "homophobic bigot", like I've said several times, I have no issues with homosexual people, I just don't approve of their lifestyle, doesn't affect the way I feel about them emotionally.

So what if your homosexual son & his civil partner had children, LOTM? Would you tolerate them under your roof?

Ironic that some of the more compassionate and tolerant attitudes on this thread come from those who wouldn't call themselves Christians . some Christians are far more concerned about loving others and justice than whether Gays go to Hell.

SAF, I know we've had the odd run in in the past, but I do have to agree with most of your posts here

LOTM, I'm really confused as to why you think gay people will not go to Heaven. Surely heaven is a place for all, the only proviso being accepting the grace of Jesus Christ. And all will be given the chance of that, in whatever way, we do not know. It seems to me that putting these types of interpretations on it narrows what God has done and who God is in the first place. None of us have the right to judge, and all that...sigh.

Lovecat...agree with what you are saying apart from discounting Paul due to homophobia and misogyny. See, I don't reckon he was either. There was a fair amount of liberation to women in what he wrote, if the text is studied in its context, and in his text about male prostitutes etc he's denouncing the promiscuous society of the time as it was messing up lives. He was all about freedom. But read LesbianMummy's post further up the thread for good thoughts on that one.

LOTM, since the dawn of time, people have been told that women should be with men and in most many religions children are taught this. But there are homosexuals in every country belonging to every creed. Do you think they would choose homosexuality just to make life awkward for themselves? I know someone in his thirties who hasn't told his parents he is gay because he was brought up religious and he himself attends Mass every week. He realised he was gay at 14 but only came out to his friends at 25. If he could have been straight he would have.

We can all fight about this forever but it isn't going to change things

True enough. Doesn't matter how many rational arguments we throw at this. LOTM believes what she believes, she's stuck in her dogma. No point arguing to someone whose position essentially comes from one interpretation of selected passages of an old book rather than evidence and reason .

Interesting how homosexual was not a word known of in biblical times

wiki.answers.com/Q/What_year_did_homosexual_become_a_word

some more food for thought

www.courage.org.uk/articles/article.asp?id=182

LOTM. You are entitled to your point of view but you really do belong in the dark ages!!

SAF I kind of like that image too, and think it more apt than many would think :)

(and I'm not really too hairy, not today anyway, please call me mhd not madhairy )

Interesting stuff LM.

Rafi Mon 07-Mar-11 12:52:20
"So what if your homosexual son & his civil partner had children, LOTM? Would you tolerate them under your roof?"

This wouldn't be an issue, I don't recognise "marriage" within homosexual relationships, and 2 men cannot reproduce a child.

Downs Syndrome is a negative genetic malfunction-so if you argue that homosexuality is from birth then that too is a negative genetic malfunction. I'm sure it's argued that it isn't a genetic mutation, therefore homosexuals must opt in. THere is evidence to suggest that Downs babies are born with the malfunction, created in the womb (not from physical birth) however there is no hard evidence that homosexuality is decided at the moment of conception.

"New Living Translation (©2007)
Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality..." 1 Corinthians 6:9.

Mad- God says so-not me.

Chip Monkey- Do paedophiles claim that their "illness" is not a choice but a malfunction in the way their brains work? Is this an acceptable decision?

How many men have children and get married who then decide they are gay?

Swallowed- You didn't ask me to clarify what the BIble says as to who "gets in" to HEaven.

Grimma- THere is NO evidence that homosexuality is from birth. Only theory and hypothesis. Please indicate to me hard evidence that has been proven with something other than human emotion and theory.

Just read that second article LM and thought it a good read and thought provoking. I totally agree with the author when he says the proclamation of the gospel should be so much more important, and love and justice and all that.

LOTM. God says it? Really?

Yes I don't get that 'born perfect' thing at all either. I kind of go with the whole fall-skewed-us-all thing, in whatever way.

Good grief is this for real?

I thought Jesus was about peace and love, man.

Not hatred and intolerance.

Maybe I read the wrong bible?

Some of this is so outrageously offensive I don't know what to do with it. Homosexuals are comparable to paedophiles? Come off it.

LOTM, you are surely not comparing paedophilia with homosexuality? Those who are abused as children are more likely to abuse themselves, there is plenty of evidence for that.

BIG difference between a loving relationship between two adults and an abusive relationship between an adult and a child.

Swallowed- You know well enough that Jesus didn't speak of homosexuality, although he did use Sodom and Gomorrah as an example...

Is the point that you'll only accept what the Bible teaches if Jesus, and only Jesus, preached it?

Do you then disregard the whole OT (including the homosexuality lessons) because Jesus wasn't present for it?

Does Moses, Abraham, Elijah and Job not teach us anything because they are not Jesus?

However, there is hope for the homosexual. God forgives and cleanses a person who repents and turns from their sin, including the sin of homosexual behavior (1 Corinthians 6:11).

As well as forgiveness, God's grace brings with it the power to live a life that is pleasing to God (Romans 6:6-7)

I thought Christianity was Jesus? You know, Christ, and that.

If you're only interested in the old testament maybe you need to look into Judaism mate.

Should you accept the Trinity and Jesus being of divine right, surely what God says is good enough to go on? (Should you accept that man penned the Scriptures through God's command).

Jesus confirmed that those yoked together in marriage should be ?male and female.??Matthew 19:4.

The well-known Biblical account of Sodom and Gomorrah reveals God?s feelings about homosexuality. God declared: ?The cry of complaint about Sodom and Gomorrah, yes, it is loud, and their sin, yes, it is very heavy.? (Genesis 18:20) The extent of their sinful depravity at that time was apparent when two guests visited the righteous man Lot. ?The men of Sodom . . . surrounded the house, from boy to old man, all the people in one mob. And they kept calling out to Lot and saying to him: ?Where are the men who came in to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have intercourse with them.?? (Genesis 19:4, 5) The Bible says: ?The men of Sodom were bad and were gross sinners against Jehovah.??Genesis 13:13.

The men became ?violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males.? (Romans 1:27)

They had ?gone out after flesh for unnatural use.? (Jude 7)

In countries where homosexual rights campaigns are pervasive, some may object to using the word ?unnatural? to describe homosexual behavior. However, is not God the final arbiter when it comes to nature? He commanded his ancient people:

?You must not lie down with a male the same as you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable thing.?? Leviticus 18:22.

..so if you argue that homosexuality is from birth then that too is a negative genetic malfunction. I'm sure it's argued that it isn't a genetic mutation, therefore homosexuals must opt in.

Er, no. Try reading up a little on the concepts of epigenetics and in utero environmental effects (including the influences of hormones on the developing foetus).

LOTM - please stop trying to be the final arbiter of what is Christian and what is not on MN (have noticed you trying to do this a lot lately - you are quite "new" I think?)

There are a lot of mumsnetters who are CHristian who I am sure ar, along with me, finding your views and selective quoting of the Bible increasingly offensive.

Just stop - you are doing yor "cause" no good and not helping those of us who have been posting here for a long time as "reasonable" christians any good whatsoever.!