in thinking jesus can NOT cure homosexuality as it is NOT an illness

[thefinerthingsinlife]

christian lady has written a book claiming jesus can cure homosexuality

I'm not getting into the debate of wether there is a God/Jesus etc. It just this has really mad me angry, how can you cure something that is NOT an illness. I find this extremely insulting and judgemental.

If there was a hell, I think the writers of Old Harry's Game on R4 have it about right. Some of the inmates thought they'd be in t'other place.

I do wish we could 'like' posts on MN.

Swallowed would getting many clicks from me. I think if LotM and her ilk are in charge of things then I'm Hell-bound along with the rest of you, as not only am I a Paul-ignoring homosexual apologist (wtf?) but I'm a reader in church so have gone against the thing about women teaching... nothing down for me!

Funny, there's me thinking Christianity was all about love, non-judginess and forgiveness... I really am in the wrong religion, aren't I?

I can't believe this is this still going?

LOTM is more than entitled to her views, and in reality, they are the views held by an awful lot of people. Mumsnet is not the word of God, it has a million members? half of those will be people who joined for a week and never came back, so inactive, another few hundred thousand will be people who dip in once in a blue moon, so you're really only getting the views of a tiny minority of regulars. plus M'net is a female left leaning site, so again the views are not fully representative. IME, most people don't give homosexuality a second thought, they couldn't care less about it, or they view it negatively and are glad it's not a life they are part of, but accept that they should have equal rights and not be treated unfairly. That's the best you're going to get from most people. It only seems to be a big deal on M'net.

Rhian- I believe homosexuality is a lifestyle choice, and there's nothing but theories and hypothesis to suggest otherwise. So as there's nothing concrete to build your moral high ground, I think I'm entitled to an opinion that differs from yours.

Yes there is, LadyOfTheManor. There's personal testimony from many thousands of gay people.

"I believe homosexuality is a lifestyle choice, and there's nothing but theories and hypothesis to suggest otherwise."

Well then my personal "testimony" of faith should stand up, surely?

Pepsi- I was referring to evidence void of human emotion.

LOTM, oh I see, you know more about homosexuality than people are homosexual so therefore your personal testimony of faith trumps their silly old real-world experience. That makes total sense.

No, wait, no it doesn't. WTF?

I think I've worked it out - you're playing a parody of an unreasonable and blinkered Christian, aren't you? Very good. Well done. You can stop now.

Homosexuality is not unique to humans. It is not a lifestyle choice. You are what you are.Oh, and by the way, there is no god.

Snorbs, you'll find the majority of the scientists who attempt to prove it is a birth "right", are not homosexual. Are they blinkered?

Those scientists do something called "research" which requires them to not only talk to people who are homosexual but to actually listen to what they say. They then use this data to prove, or disprove, their theories.

So, no, they're not blinkered because they approach this with an open mind and they use facts (rather than prejudice or "God says...") to influence their thinking. In general, anyway; some scientists are crap. Those nutjobs who distort paleontological evidence to try to prove "intelligent design", for instance, do very bad science.

So how did you reach your conclusion that homosexuality is a choice?

LadyoftheManor.

You are absolutely entitled to hold any opinion you want.

However, nobody has the right to have their opinion go unchallenged or questioned if they choose to air it in a public place.

If homosexuality is a choice, does that imply that heterosexuality is also? Did you make a conscious decision to fancy men?

As far as I'm aware, there has never been any research that proves, beyond doubt, that homosexuality is genetic -( and there have been plenty of intensive studies on identical twins etc.)

So where are all the cases where homosexual people have admitted "I was actually attracted to the opposite sex but I made a conscious decision to pursue homosexual relationships"?

In the studies where people are wired up to monitors that measure their subconscious sexual response, where is the data that shows that homosexual people are actually turned on by naked images of the opposite sex rather than of their own?

LadyOfTheManor

So, i'm interested about how you made your decision to be attracted to men instead of women. Why did you choose to fancy a man instead of a woman? Have you ever tried being attracted to a woman? Since its a choice, Im sure if you concentrate hard for a minute or so, you'll find you can change your sexuality easily

Your response to pornography is really not a reliable indicator - lots of straight women are turned on by lesbian porn - they certainly wouln't class themselves as homosexual and would never pursue a gay relationship.

So if a woman had a sexual response to a picture of a naked woman (note, I didn't say porn) but had no such response to a picture of a naked man, you would regard that as entirely irrelevant?

Depends Snorbs. If the woman was Angelina Jolie and the guy was John McCririck, you would have to take that into account.

I would regard it as irrelevant yes -
If I was wired up to a device I know my responses would label me homosexual ( probably )

• I'm not.