in thinking jesus can NOT cure homosexuality as it is NOT an illness

[thefinerthingsinlife]

christian lady has written a book claiming jesus can cure homosexuality

I'm not getting into the debate of wether there is a God/Jesus etc. It just this has really mad me angry, how can you cure something that is NOT an illness. I find this extremely insulting and judgemental.

It must be genetic and not purely social.
You are not just born homo or hetero. There are many different levels of Bi depending on many factors.
However, perhaps social issues dictate the level to which people are prepared to reveal their true genetic makeup.

The strongest human instinct is surely that of self survival and survival of the race.
I believe that homosexuality is natures way of dealing with over crowding.
In times gone past we would have a massive war when too many people were getting in each others way for land.
That can't happen now due to the threat posed of mass annihilation.
Now the population is controlled either by mutating viruses or fewer people wanting to reproduce.

Anyway, providing their is a generation of workers prepared to pay for my pension, does it really matter?!

I would be much more interested it it was discovered that homosexuals could cure Christianity!

Think what an improvement that would be to society!

I have still not seen anyone try and explain what the ability to reproduce or whether a behaviour is 'natural' has to do with anything. Say one accepts that 'homosexuals cannot reproduce' it are 'not natural' - um, so what?

TCNY - it's just something that people say. In the circles such people usually move in, everyon nods and agrees with them, so they don't realize how bonkers it sounds.

If you challenge them, by, for example, talking about couples who get together when too old to reproduce, or who can't reproduce for whatever other reason, they go 'errmmm' and bluster.

seeker

I think it us more fruitful to challenge these assumptions rather than getting into debates over issues that are both irrelevant and reinforce the idea that these assumptions are in some way valid.

Am I the only one who thinks that it's irrelevent whether homosexuality is genetic or not?

It's almost as if people with same-sex partners have to justify themselves.

StuckInTheMiddlewithYou - No, that's just the point I'm making. No one asks if paintballers or golfers or Conservatives or people who watch eastenders can reproduce or are following a genetic predisposition or whatever.

Very true.

All this talk about reproduction is just bonkers. I fail to see the relevence. People fail to realise that the whole concept of "natural" is based on a total misunderstanding of the way evolution and biology actually works.

I would be very surprised if paintballers could reproduce, though. Mind you, I don"t think many of them get the chance to try......

I really believe that people should be challenged whenever they say wrong/stupid/offensive things. But with age I have come to realize that I am not going to change the opinion of that individual person - particularly if they are speaking from a position of faith. However, it is bad for society at large if they go unchallenged - on the principle that silence suggests agreement - or at least will be taken for agreement. So I carry on challenging, in the hope that some day the challengers will reach a tipping point and society will change. And mumsnet is, up to a point, a microcosm of society.

Does that make sense?

But are you born a paintballer or is it a social decision you make?

Lasertag is far less painful.

My ds wanted a paintballing party for his birthday this year, but you have to be 11. I am relieved - I do want grandchildren one day!

Lenin, I didn't mean to offend you by talking about the genetic element of homosexuality and I'm very sorry if I did as that was certainly not my intention .

I'm intrigued by genetics and do strongly believe that sexuality is genetic even though I also agree it is actually an irrelevant side issue.

On a separate point, can Jesus cure Conservatism? That would be progress .

Lenin, I want to apologise too if I've given the wrong impression. My comments were purely and simply 'mild irritation' at intelligent people not getting what Lady was saying in order to make a point.

The fact that I don't care whether gay people are born that way or not is also purely because I think everyone has the right to fall in love with any other consenting adult they choose and agree with Stuck that the whole nature / nurture debate leads to people having to justify themselves. Which is bollocks.

But let's not censor debate. I have learnt something from these discussions and I hope other people have too and I thank you for your perspective.

TCNY, I agree with the point you're making and apologise if I am making anyone feel they have to justify or explain how their sexuality came to be. I agree that it doesn't actually matter why anyone is gay or straight or whether this is due to environment or genes. I just find it hard not to comment when people have odd notions of what is natural and think we are 'designed' to walk about in heterosexual pairs like animals on to an ark.