in thinking jesus can NOT cure homosexuality as it is NOT an illness

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christian lady has written a book claiming jesus can cure homosexuality

I'm not getting into the debate of wether there is a God/Jesus etc. It just this has really mad me angry, how can you cure something that is NOT an illness. I find this extremely insulting and judgemental.

And so did Oscar Wilde and Paul O'Grady.

I'm not saying that homosexuals can't go and have children I am saying that they would have to cross over to another sex in order to do so (somewhere down the line).

It is basic biology- you're entitled to be gay, I have no qualms with that. I believe in free will for everyone.

Thanks Rhinestone!

lesbianmummy1- I found your explanation of the various bible passages that refer to homosexual sex very interesting. May I ask what your sources are? I''ve read theological arguments on both side of the debate and failed to be convinced by any of them .

"I don't believe people are "born" gay, I believe it is a social and perhaps sub concious decision." Actually, science has proven that it is biological and can and have separated the gene. Society teaches us, through constructed ideologies stemming from monotheistic religions, that it is abhorrent.

Bonobo's are a very good example

Christianity is about helping others, isn't it? So IMO there's nothing wrong with helping a gay couple by donating sperm or being a surrogate for them.

(or donating eggs)

Lady can you explain why you think anyone would make a "social" decision to be gay? There have always been gay people even during times when being gay meant being a social pariah.

Olive - which post are you referring too? Bit confused.

Hi jo

who is Brandon when he is at home?

I don't believe people are born gay-therefore it has to be the alternative route which is that it is elected. I believe people "coming out" depends on your social surroundings-that I should have made clear.

Olive- There's more to Christianity than "helping others". I wouldn't help someone stick a needle of heroin in their arm for example.

Hi Rhinestone, I'm referring to comments about whether it is God's will for gay people to become parents. For example

"two women alone/two men alone cannot produce a child unassisted then perhaps this wasn't the way God intended."

Personally I believe God intends us to help one another, and I have no problem with people who help gay people to have families.

GotArt - I actually thought that scientists HADN'T found a gay gene. Could you link to something which says that they have as I'd be very interested to read that. Thanks.

LadyOfTheManor, I am talking about helping people in a positive way. Loving our neighbour as ourselves. As a Christian who has no problem with homosexuality, in my opinion helping people in a positive way can include egg/sperm donation or surrogacy for gay couples :)

OK. But of course gay people can be parents and have been doing it for centuries. I think Lady was just making the point that two women on their own physically cannot produce a child. Impossible. Ditto two men.

Therefore this is why some people believe that homosexuality isn't 'natural' in the 'occurs in nature with the express point of propagating the species' sense.

I must admit that I have a problem with putting two women or two men on someone's birth certificate as it's just a biological impossibility and I think people have the right to know who their biological parents are. I feel exactly the same re sperm donors to straight couples.

LotM - in Uganda being gay is a death sentence yet still people come out. Why is this if being gay is a social decision rather than something you are born?

Lady - so you are aligning fertile gay people with infertile straight people as groups who "cannot reproduce"? Even though in one case they are perfectly able to reproduce through natural means if they wish to? I mean, even leaving aside IVF or turkey basters, a gay person can sleep with someone of the opposite sex and a child can be conceived, and doing that won't mean they aren't gay any more.

Your focus on this issue is a bit odd IMO, but assuming we take it at face value, it actually ends up implying more "wrongness" about infertile people than it does about gay people. Which I'm sure was not your intention.

Also a bit at comparing helping a couple to conceive to helping an addict shoot up. I mean, really? That's a reasonable connection in your mind?

I absolutely believe that people are born gay. I have twin brothers, brought up in the same environment, same parents, etc. One gay, one straight.

I have do doubt being gay is genetic.

However, I would not want one penny spent on searching for a 'gay gene' as this would serve no purpose and could lead to the horrifying idea of people testing for this gene in pg in order to avoid having gay children.

So best left well alone.

no doubt!

Dirty - we've covered this. Of course fertile gay people can reproduce. But they do need the vital other ingredient from a fertile person - gay or straight - of the opposite sex. Two women - be they gay, straight, questioning, trans-gender, Martian etc - cannot produce a child just from their eggs.

Or maybe the Martians can. But can we otherwise stop arguing about biological fact and all stop pretending to 'misunderstand' what Lady is saying.

Er...well Knitting, the fact that one twin is straight and one twin is gay actually lends weight to the argument that homosexuality ISN'T genetic.