to think that "fat shops" like Evans and Ann Harvey don't do their customers any favours by making their sizes much larger than they usually are?

[MrsSchadenfreude]

Was in London last week, nipped into both. Tried on jeans in Evans, even a size 16 was too big (and I am SO not a 16). Went into Horrible Ann Harvey, Polyester Queen, and overheard the woman saying to a customer, "No, the sizes come up much bigger than in regular shops. If you're a size 16 in M & S, there won't be anything here to fit you."

Is this not going to lull porkers (I am one, I am allowed to say that) into a false sense of their own size, if they think, oh I am "only" a size 16, which is not too bad, when actually they are probably a 22+ in "normal" shops?

really doesn't matter what the label says (and if you've gone so far as to be in the shop then you decide what looks best on you surely).

If you shop in the same shops regularly you get to know there sizing and which are ridiculous.

What ever the label says doesn't change the size of your body though so if it's that's the problem only you can change that.

Call yourself what you want but if you are a chubster or whatever at 13 stone, what does that make people heavier than you? Can't you see why people would take exception to that?
Being 13 stone doesn't necessarily make a person a chubster. It all depends on height and build. What is one person's overweight is another person's ust right.

Yes fat is factual. The other is insults.

You understand my question surely? You say you are fat, fine. You make comments about being a lardarse etc.

Other people are fatter than you are. So by extension surely that makes them lard arses etc in your eyes.

And as I asked above, would you call someone else that to their face?

brasty Yes - that's what I was trying to say (not very succinctly)

the threads moved on but I work in one of these shops not naming due to strict social media policy and their clothes are not cut bigger, i can get into size 18 jeggings from a high street place but need a size 26 in workplace

Livia, I'd call myself a chubster, but obviously wouldn't call someone a chubster or porker to their face. Or a lardarse. And yes, I would think that someone fatter than me was a chubster. Or a porker, or a lardarse. Possibly. If I gave it any thought at all. If they had fabulous hair, or seriously good make up, I might think, wow, they look fab. If they were exceptionally large, I might, in an unguarded moment, be reminded of an American friend, who said, when she saw an exceptionally large man tucking into an exceptionally large meal in a mall food court, "I bet he can shit." And I think what goes on in my private thoughts, in my own tiny mind, is fine. As long as it doesn't come out of my mouth, no problem. I don't understand why you would get affronted by what someone may or may not be thinking.

I don't think anyone - unless they had serious problems, and no filter - would say to a complete stranger, "Oi, lardarse."

I am large/ fat and would not dream of setting foot in either Evans or Ann Harvey because I personally loathe their clothes, so their sizing doesn't bother me!

"FFS another zombie thread"

YY brasty.

I wonder why it was revived.

And people calling themselves those names when they may actually be thinner than other posters is offensive, yes

Seriously?? So people are only allowed to call themselves porkers, lard arses and chubsters if they weigh more than other people?

When I was overweight, I used to call myself fat blob (size 8 now!) so that would be offensive to others?

People can refer to themselves however they want. I would never call anyone else fat blob or porkers or anything else but I did use to call myself various names when I was fat. Don't see any harm in that. It is better that people recognise they are fat rather than being deluded

YANBU, OP.

Have only read your post. Have had weight issues in past.

I do think people have lost sight of what is a 'normal' size to be. Humans shouldn't have loads of fat on them. Just a slim covering between the bones & skin. Kate Middleton for example isn't skinny. She is just normal. And I say this as a chunky size 14. I'm only not a bigger size as I'm 5'9.

What? We shouldn't have 'loads of fat' Nathan?

Wow. You learn something new every day....

I do think people have lost sight of what is a 'normal' size to be

True

Livia All I meant was that we seem to be going down the US route of stopping realising what is 'normal' & normalising being overweight.

A size 10 used to be teeny - supermodel sized. Now it seems that an average sized person can fit into a size 10 in some shops.

I do wish there was a standardising sizing which every company adheres to. It's annoying that in New Look I'm one size then I go to H&M and I need to get a size which is 3 times bigger. Also at H&M I bought some trousers which were a little tight so next time I bought a different set of trousers but a size bigger, these trousers felt two times smaller than the previous even though the size on the label said it was bigger. Never shop at H&M anymore, really screwed up sizing.

I don't care what size am I, I just want to be able to go into different shops and know that the sizes are pretty much the same in both.

I agree with Nathan. Except, Kate is teeny tiny. I wouldn't say she was "normal sized" even by going by the standards of yesterday. Ditto Cara Delevingne - her legs are so thin, I don't know how they support her body.

Back in the 1980s, most shops only stocked up to a size 14 - shops like M & S used to go up to an 18 in some styles and JL and Debenhams had an "outsize" section for those who couldn't fit into a 14. I'm 5'8" and in the early 1980s I weighed around 10 1/2 stone. On a good day I could fit into a size 14 from Top Shop, but otherwise I was a 16. Looking at another thread on what people weigh/how tall they are and what size they wear, at that weight and height in today's sizing, I'd be around a 10-12.

And I don't think people "should have loads of fat". Unfortunately, once you do, it's a lot difficult to get rid of than it was to acquire!

I hate being fat. I hate it. I hate it so much that i'd do anything to be slim (except diet and exercise, obviously).

for me personally, words like porker or chubster, or sites like fat people hate, are a bit of motivation. they do get me to put down the pies and the weight IS coming off, albeit slowly. however, I can see that others would be offended.

what is very very wrong IMO is the attempt to glorify obesity, eg people like tess munster. yes, you don't have to be stick thin to be healthy and attractive. but being grossly overweight is not good and should not be encouraged.

In the 80's at 5 ft 8 and 8.5 stone i wore size 10's

I am still squeezed into my size 14 next jeans at 4 stone heavier

Is there an official standard size chart in the UK? I would be interested to compare my measurements to the chart and see how it correlates to the sizes of clothes I actually buy.

I hate being fat. I hate it. I hate it so much that i'd do anything to be slim (except diet and exercise, obviously).

yy to this. If someone said I could either wake up 4 stone lighter or £4 million richer I would have no hesitation in taking the weight loss. And I'm not even that big (size 14/16). But I was a different, much more confident person at a size 8/10.

You don't have to glorify it but shaming people with insulting words isn't going to work on everyone. It just makes people feel worse about themselves and whilst that might motivate some, its not going to help others, it makes them feel totally worthless.

I am fat. I don't care that I am fat. It doesn't affect anyone else. However, it would appear that others have an issue with people like me, hence the use of the insulting words.

You wouldn't be able to insult other sections of society like that, so why is it okay to insult others who are overweight, using the excuse that you yourself are "a bit of a chubster"?

that's an interesting question, livia.

Those who fat shame would say they are doing fat people a favour as by showing their disgust at fat, they may encourage people to lose weight. Remember the internet thing that was doing the rounds a little while ago - "fat to fit" - where people stole images of fat people from facebook, instagram etc, and photoshopped them to be thin?? They claimed that they were doing it out of altruism .

Others genuinely believe that fat people are worth less (and worthless) and so they don't give a fuck if your "fee fees" are hurt. They will only listen to you when you lose weight and "become human again". It's fucking brutal!

Back in the real world, I think there's a happy medium between being able to describe yourself how you like and being aware that you might hurt someone else. So whilst I might think of myself as a porker, and read some of those online comments as an incentive when I feel like eating a pie, I know that couldn't possibly work for everyone. so I would never think it was ok to say that to anyone else, and would watch where I said it aloud.

as for online and anonymous, well, the line gets a bit more blurred in terms of what you can and can't say. know your audience is my motto there.

#unhelpful #itried #ramblingbollocks !!

I remember years ago when it is difficult to buy clothes that were bigger than size 16. This was one of the driving factors for me to lose weight.

They will only listen to you when you lose weight and "become human again". It's fucking brutal!

I vouch for this. When I was fat, I got treated a lot worse. At size 8, people treat me much better. Another thing I noticed was when I was fat, people would give me such dirty looks if I was eating anything unhealthy. Now no one bats an eyelid if I eat chocolate, crisps or take more than a couple of biscuits