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to think my Mum might support me more?

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happynappies · 25/01/2011 12:05

I don't know what it is with my parents, in-laws for that matter. Perhaps some comments on here might help me gain a bit of perspective!

I have three dc, a four year old who goes to pre-school a couple of mornings per week, a nearly 2-year old ds and a 4 month old dd. I've had difficult pregnancies with each, and am just adjusting to looking after all three mostly on my own. Dh works full-time but is otherwise helpful etc, and I'm on maternity leave at the moment. On average dh and I go out on our own in the evening once a year. My parents never want to have the children, either to stay/go out/babysit etc. They both live 10 minutes away, but my Mum works full-time (out of choice, she won't retire because she feels she has to visit her mother in a nursing home every evening, and has confessed that without the 'excuse' of work she'd feel she had to spend more time with her). They 'pop' to see our family usually on a Sunday evening for half an hour when I'm frantically trying to make a meal, but otherwise don't help. Well, my Dad is retired and does call around in the week so I can collect eldest dd from pre-school without waking the others from their nap, so twice a week he sits with the two children asleep for half an hour while he does his Sudoku, an I am grateful for that because it is hard work getting the two little ones out in the afternoon to pick dd up.

When I was pg I was worried sick about leaving my eldest, and last time about leaving dd and ds, but got no reassurances from my parents. Mum said it had better not be on Tuesday because she had a meeting, she wouldn't be able to get out of interviews on such and such a day, and the end of term would be difficult. She said she'd 'pop' in when she could, leaving dh to basically look after the children single-handed. In fact, when I was in labour he rang his own parents, half an hour away, to ask if they could help and they said they had a doctor's appointment the next morning so couldn't have the children. They actually had them for an hour later the next day when dh came to collect me and the baby, and leant him £2.00 for the car park which they asked to have back next time we saw them but... I digress!!

In a bid to build relations with my Mum I've been going out for an hour a week with her, walking (so that we can both get fitter and have a chat away from the children). In our discussion last night she tells me that it was harder for her because she had 'no one' when her children were young. I feel really angry about this because firstly I was nearly four when my brother was born, whereas I've got three children under that age, and secondly I know that my grandparents moved in before my brother was born and stayed with our family for a week or so, cooking, cleaning etc. I've breastfed all three, in fact am still feeding two of them, and feel exhausted most of the time. With ds I was diagnosed with pnd - he had reflux, and I wasn't getting any sleep, and was generally feeling anxious and depressed the whole time. I told my family about the diagnosis in a bid to be open and 'ask for help' and they laughed about it. Not in a callous way, but in a sort of 'she thinks you've got depression?' kind of incredulous way. I went for counselling at the time, and found it quite helpful, and realised that a lot of my problems stem from my expectations of my family and so forth... I'm trying my best to not expect help (because I know I'm not going to get it) and to not feel hard done to, because I know it can sound like a stuck record, and you get in a negative mindset ending up feeling jealous/bitter/angry about everything when in reality I've a lot to be grateful for, love my children, our choice entirely to have three little ones, happy with dh etc etc. I just can't help feeling that my Mum is being unreasonable. She thinks she had it so bad, and thinks that all her friends who spend time looking after their own grandchildren need their heads testing - why would they want to do that? I feel hurt that she doesn't want to spend time with my children, and throws herself into work first, then visiting my Nan second, then when she is on holiday (she's a teacher) she heads straight off either abroad or to stay with my brother and sister. I'm garbling, I know, don't know if this makes sense, and I know that grandparents don't have to give up their lives just because they have grandchildren, but I find her general attitude so unsupportive. Fed up fed up. Feel doubly unlucky that both parents and in-laws seem to feel the same, so no chance of any help or support, and the only thing we ever hear is how bad it was for them!!!

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OnEdge · 25/01/2011 12:08

You are me ! Shock

OnEdge · 25/01/2011 12:17

I am in a similar situation, apart from my in laws are better.

DC = 3, 18 months and 5 months.
parents live 10 minutes away, they do have the 3 year old on Friday nights, but this is because they like having her, it isn't done to support me primarily.

My Mum also bleats about having no one around when she had me, I am an only child. I too suffer from anxiety. They are fairly understanding about this, but do jump at the chance of using it against me if we have a disagreement and i get cross. They ask me pointedly if I have been taking my tablets, so insulting. I believe that my anxiety is related to my Mum...for example, I have to have a tooth implant soon, and the first thing Mum tells me is about her mate who had an allergic reaction to the implant and was rushed of to hospital.

I thought they would really relish having grand children so close, but they almost treat it like a chore.

happynappies · 25/01/2011 12:17

parents, or in-laws for that matter it should say... sorry for typos, am trying to do too many things at once!!

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shirazgirl · 25/01/2011 12:18

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OnEdge · 25/01/2011 12:18

I would call them fair weather grandparents.

OnEdge · 25/01/2011 12:19

its all about them

HecateQueenOfWitches · 25/01/2011 12:23

Not at all unreasonable to wish they wanted to help you.

It would be nice.

But they don't want to. And they are not required to. That's the bottom line. And it's hard because we all want our family to want to help us, like we want to help them if they need it. It hurts if they don't want to because it makes us feel unloved.

People used to help their children more, but children also did far much more for their elderly relatives too. So gran would help with the kids and when elderly would live with them and be cared for. Now how many of us care for our elderly parents and how many of our parents help us out? I think the two went together, I'll help you out while I'm able and when I'm old I'll live with you and you'll care for me.

It's all changed nowadays, hasn't it?

So you're not unreasonable to wish things were different, but sadly you just have to get on with things the way they are because these people are probably not going to change.

bubblewrapped · 25/01/2011 12:25

They are YOUR children, that you chose to have. Your mum is still working, and entitled to her own life.

YABU

Vallhala · 25/01/2011 12:25

ANd I will be your mother if and when my DDs have children. By then I'll have more than done my bit and I don't in the least relish the thought of caring for or spending large amounts of time with someone else's children, even if they are the offspring of my own daughters. When my girls are grown up it will be my time to concentrate on my business, on my home, social life, dogs, all the things which currently have to come a very poor second to my children. So, as you can see, I don't blame your mum in the least. These are your children and your husband's, they are not your parents' responsibility.

What's more it's perfectly do-able. I have two children, not three as you do, and mine are now teenagers. One is a very "challenging" possible SEN child and I've brought both up alone since they were less than 20 months and 7 weeks old respectively, without any help from my family. Why on earth your children's father, presumably a fully-functioning adult human being couldn't look after his own two children whilst you were merely in hospital for a couple of/few days having your third is a total mystery to me. It's him I would be complaining about and expecting more of, not your parents.

OnEdge · 25/01/2011 12:27

Thats a really cold attitude Vallhala

LisaD1 · 25/01/2011 12:27

Agree with Hecate - it seems the way of the world these days.

I'm quite relived tbh, would rather manage without parental help with the DC if it means I won't end up a carer for parents in their old age (and they all know I won't)

YANBU to wish things were different but if they don't want them to be they are NBU either.

earwicga · 25/01/2011 12:41

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happynappies · 25/01/2011 12:43

On Edge, thank you - glad to know I'm not alone. It is my Mum's approach to me as well that causes a lot of problems. Like your example about the surgery, when I was dreading giving birth having had a horrible first labour, she was very 'well, you never know, it might be worse! Just get on with it' type of thing, which made me even more anxious!

I do realise, of course, that they are my children and it was my choice, I said that in my original post. I know it is do-able because I'm doing it. I just wish there was a bit of support. I'm not talking about them providing free childcare and giving up work/life etc, but just being a bit interested, a bit understanding? I don't know. As for dh - we split the childcare between us, so when I'm at work he looks after the dc, so he's more than capable of looking after them. Just after being in hospital all night with no sleep when I had both ds and dd, I might have thought my parents might have stepped up to enable him to at least visit me in hospital, or have an hour of sleep or something. Mum went into work on both occasions, and we struggled by between us. I know they are my responsibility, I'm not trying to suggest they are not. I just don't understand why so many grandparents seem to relish having their gc's to visit/stay, it seems a normal family kind of thing. I have literally been out with my husband alone without children 3 times in four years, we do have friends we could ask to babysit buts it has been difficult as I can't reciprocate as a lot of the time over the last four years I've had a young baby or been heavily pg etc, I don't feel its asking a lot. Maybe I sound too needy here! Am just trying to cope best I can, and everyone says if you need help you should ask.

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Vallhala · 25/01/2011 12:46

OnEdge, cold it may be but it's true and it's tough tbh! I've dedicated the last nearly 16 years to my children, with a way to go yet, with a very difficult, insomniac DD2, given up all manner of things for them, material and otherwise and suffered cancer too. I'm buggered if I'm going to be dropping everything to look after their children in future years... I don't know how long I might have left but what I will have will this time be mine. We are not all child-centric, not all fond of small children other than our own and not all willing to dedicate our entire lives to childcare of one sort or another nor are well all suited to the task.

bubblewrapped · 25/01/2011 12:50

Your mum is a professional though. As a teacher she cant just take time off to suit you, plus she is running around to visit her own elderly mother. She is probably bloody knackered too!!!

(As grandparents ourselves, we would love to be asked to look after our grandaughter but it never happens, so I can see both sides of the coin.)

And if your mums life wasnt so hectic, then she probably would be able to spend more time with your children, but I can completely understand why she isnt doing at the moment.

woollyideas · 25/01/2011 12:53

Just be glad you don't have my parents, who were quite happy for me to 'sofa-surf' for 8 months with a two year old in tow after being made homeless. Did they offer a room in their 4 bedroom house? Did they hell!

After DD was born they waited 4 months before visiting, bringing a plastic rattle as a present.

They have never so much as stuffed a fiver in an envelope for DD's birthday/Christmas.

I could go on, but thinking about them is seriously depressing!

TBH I think you should give up expecting them to be 'normal' grandparents. If you can accept that they aren't prepared to offer anything, you will not be disappointed. It is their loss.

Sorry, this sounds so bitter...Blush

diddl · 25/01/2011 12:58

Well your Dad does help & I assume your mum doesnt as she works.

Do PIL work?

Do they feel welcome?

I´ve always lived away so therefore no help-yes my choice.

But surely you didn´t have children on the basis of getting help?

TBH I wouldn´t have wanted help unless the children & or I were ill.

2rebecca · 25/01/2011 13:08

I think all parents should have their children on the assumption that they will be expected to financially and physically look after any children they have.
If relatives help with care or the state helps with finance it's a bonus.
Having 3 children under 5 is hard work, but it was your choice, it seems unfair to complain your mum had an easier ride because she spaced her kids out more.
My parents didn't live near their grandparents and I don't live near either set of parents.
Unless your parents promised to do lots of childcare and that was why you chose to have 3 kids close together then I think you are blaming them for choices you and your husband made.
Your mum has a full time job and elderly parent she feels guilty about.
It sounds as though her job maybe gives her more than enough time with kids.
It sounds as though you are having a difficult time at the moment, but blaming your parents seems inappropriate.

FabbyChic · 25/01/2011 13:16

To be honest I never understand why people have children then moan that their parents do nothing, why should they?

You chose to have the children, made conscious decisions about the timing of how far they were apart, surely as you get older you become more independant and make choices yourselves as to how you will cope without help.

I never assumed I'd get help with either of my children I worked full time after a year with the first one and after five weeks with the next one, I never presumed I'd get help from my parents or anybody, why would I I'm a grown woman.

Sorry but you made your life choices and you have to live with them and cope yourself. Your parents are older now and once you are 18 you look after yourself, they have done their job.

OnEdge · 25/01/2011 13:19

It's not so much practical help, more emotional support and some understanding.

HecateQueenOfWitches · 25/01/2011 13:22

Well, that's fine of course. It's true. Nobody is under any obligation to help out.

I hope that parents who won't help out their kids because they have their own life to lead have that same attitude when they are elderly and their children don't help them in any way, shape or form. No shopping trips, no sorting anything out, no cooking, no popping in - just bang them into a nursing home and get on with your life. Cos you're under no obligation to help them, right?

Which is true. But it would be nice for family to help each other out, wouldn't it?

You can't complain your parents won't help you if you wouldn't be prepared to look after them when they're elderly

You can't refuse to help your kids and expect them to be there for you when you're old and frail.

OR. We could all help one another. Wouldn't that be nicer?

firstforthought · 25/01/2011 13:28

my in laws would give their eye teeth to have my 2 DC, she lives 5000 miles away. My mum is not bothered either way and lives 10 minutes away. And that is the way hew cookie crumbles dear people.

hormonalmum · 25/01/2011 13:29

I just saw this but need to pop out so will post later (just marking my place)

SenoritaViva · 25/01/2011 13:37

I am afraid I am with the others; if you choose to have your children then you need to take responsibility for them. We have never had the luxury of living near either of our families and DH is a good dad but doesn't have a natural knack of seeing what needs to be done.

Even if we did live near my parents, they would not have looked after DCs as babies as they won't change a nappy. I respect that, my mother did ours when we were small but she's had enough. DD nearly 4; she has not yet spent a night away from us. Would I change it if I could? Yes, but I am not going to moan. We chose to have her and the positives outweigh the negatives.

happynappies · 25/01/2011 13:37

Hecate I think that is it - I'm not expecting a certain amount of help or childcare or anything, but it would be nice to feel not so alone, and of course I reciprocate. I help them now whenever I can. My Dad does marking for an exam board, and I help him cross-checking marks and inputting data, I do any online shopping e.g. christmas shopping for them both, I do the cooking of the Christmas meal, I am helping my Mum choose an outfit for my sister's wedding (which is no mean feat, believe me!).

Honestly, I know I posted on AIBU, but I wasn't thinking I'd get so many people saying "You had three children, its your bed, lie on it". Of course it was our choice, and obviously I didn't have three children in such a short space of time because I wanted help. What kind of logic is that?!! I had them within such a short space of time because I'm not getting any younger. I'm happy to have three children, I don't regret it at all. I love them all, and am not blaming my parents for my choices. I just feel annoyed with my Mum primarily, because I know so many people who have a Mum they can confide in and enjoy being with, whether they provide incidental childcare or not. Having spent the last four and a bit years completely immersed in the daily grind of caring for babies and young children I do fully understand why you might not want to rush headlong into caring for other people's children, but I never actually said I was looking for someone to look after them full-time. I just get told by friends and health visitors etc to be more assertive and ask for help because believe it or not, it is hard work and I find it hard. I cope, my husband copes, we don't openly criticise/gripe/moan to our parents, because we respect their choices, but that doesn't mean we don't wish they were a bit more helpful along the way. The fact that she is a teacher and 'maybe her job gives her more than enough time with kids' is really insulting, why wear yourself out with other peoples kids and not have the time or inclination to want to share in any part of your own grandchildren growing up? Obviously I know she is a professional, and can't just drop work at the drop of a hat, but I'm a teacher too, and if my daughter was having a baby, or struggling with something, I'd be more than happy to phone in sick or arrange cover or something, after all, it is family. The way my Mum treats me makes me all the more determined that when my children are older we'll help out more even if we feel we've done our time. I can well understand people thinking 'yes right, wait until they are grown up and then see what you think' but honestly, the thought of my children going through emotionally demanding stuff and me just saying 'well I had it worse!'... I'll help in whatever way I can, and if I can't meet my childrens' expectations, I'll talk to them about how I can help in other ways. OnEdge - too right 'its all about them' - My Mum is very selfish, she is happy for people to think she's some kind of martyr because she works full-time and visits her mother, but it is her choice, in just the same way that it was my choice to have children. It is so sad that when some grandparents would love to be more involved, or just see a little bit more of the gc's without any of the responsibility, I seem to have been blessed with four people who only think of themselves and don't want to share in any of it.

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