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to think my Mum might support me more?

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happynappies · 25/01/2011 12:05

I don't know what it is with my parents, in-laws for that matter. Perhaps some comments on here might help me gain a bit of perspective!

I have three dc, a four year old who goes to pre-school a couple of mornings per week, a nearly 2-year old ds and a 4 month old dd. I've had difficult pregnancies with each, and am just adjusting to looking after all three mostly on my own. Dh works full-time but is otherwise helpful etc, and I'm on maternity leave at the moment. On average dh and I go out on our own in the evening once a year. My parents never want to have the children, either to stay/go out/babysit etc. They both live 10 minutes away, but my Mum works full-time (out of choice, she won't retire because she feels she has to visit her mother in a nursing home every evening, and has confessed that without the 'excuse' of work she'd feel she had to spend more time with her). They 'pop' to see our family usually on a Sunday evening for half an hour when I'm frantically trying to make a meal, but otherwise don't help. Well, my Dad is retired and does call around in the week so I can collect eldest dd from pre-school without waking the others from their nap, so twice a week he sits with the two children asleep for half an hour while he does his Sudoku, an I am grateful for that because it is hard work getting the two little ones out in the afternoon to pick dd up.

When I was pg I was worried sick about leaving my eldest, and last time about leaving dd and ds, but got no reassurances from my parents. Mum said it had better not be on Tuesday because she had a meeting, she wouldn't be able to get out of interviews on such and such a day, and the end of term would be difficult. She said she'd 'pop' in when she could, leaving dh to basically look after the children single-handed. In fact, when I was in labour he rang his own parents, half an hour away, to ask if they could help and they said they had a doctor's appointment the next morning so couldn't have the children. They actually had them for an hour later the next day when dh came to collect me and the baby, and leant him £2.00 for the car park which they asked to have back next time we saw them but... I digress!!

In a bid to build relations with my Mum I've been going out for an hour a week with her, walking (so that we can both get fitter and have a chat away from the children). In our discussion last night she tells me that it was harder for her because she had 'no one' when her children were young. I feel really angry about this because firstly I was nearly four when my brother was born, whereas I've got three children under that age, and secondly I know that my grandparents moved in before my brother was born and stayed with our family for a week or so, cooking, cleaning etc. I've breastfed all three, in fact am still feeding two of them, and feel exhausted most of the time. With ds I was diagnosed with pnd - he had reflux, and I wasn't getting any sleep, and was generally feeling anxious and depressed the whole time. I told my family about the diagnosis in a bid to be open and 'ask for help' and they laughed about it. Not in a callous way, but in a sort of 'she thinks you've got depression?' kind of incredulous way. I went for counselling at the time, and found it quite helpful, and realised that a lot of my problems stem from my expectations of my family and so forth... I'm trying my best to not expect help (because I know I'm not going to get it) and to not feel hard done to, because I know it can sound like a stuck record, and you get in a negative mindset ending up feeling jealous/bitter/angry about everything when in reality I've a lot to be grateful for, love my children, our choice entirely to have three little ones, happy with dh etc etc. I just can't help feeling that my Mum is being unreasonable. She thinks she had it so bad, and thinks that all her friends who spend time looking after their own grandchildren need their heads testing - why would they want to do that? I feel hurt that she doesn't want to spend time with my children, and throws herself into work first, then visiting my Nan second, then when she is on holiday (she's a teacher) she heads straight off either abroad or to stay with my brother and sister. I'm garbling, I know, don't know if this makes sense, and I know that grandparents don't have to give up their lives just because they have grandchildren, but I find her general attitude so unsupportive. Fed up fed up. Feel doubly unlucky that both parents and in-laws seem to feel the same, so no chance of any help or support, and the only thing we ever hear is how bad it was for them!!!

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happynappies · 25/01/2011 13:41

also, it is not 'by chance' that we live close to our family. We chose it, and turned down better job prospects etc, not because we thought we'd get lots of help and free childcare, but because we thought it would be great for the children to be able to see their grandparents when they were growing up. Little did we know that we were so naive. Considering emigrating to Australia now!!!

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OnEdge · 25/01/2011 13:48

I am basing my expectations on my observations of the loving families of some of my friends. Some families are much more involved , I suppose that it is what I was expecting and hoping for but it didn't happen. That isn't my parent's fault.

If I announced that we were moving away, my Mum would be really upset, yet she doesn't take advantage of the close proximity of her grandchildren now. I love being able to help my parents out when I can, I just like it, it isn't a duty or a chore, its a pleasure. Hopefully I will feel like this if I am lucky enough to know my grandchildren. I will make the most of it.

RealityIsKnockedUp · 25/01/2011 13:48

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OnEdge · 25/01/2011 13:50

happynappies I really agree with that sentiment. We could do with moving to Oxford for both our careers but we don't because it would upset my Mum and Dad - or maybe not, who knows.

SenoritaViva · 25/01/2011 13:50

I do feel for you but in the end we cannot chose our parents. Your daughter might end up saying I wish my mum would butt out and leave things to me, is it because she doesn't believe I am capable of doing things myself? I am sure this won't happen, but I am just giving you a scenario. It is so difficult for us to get it right.

I also think you are holding some resentment about staying 'local', but as you said about your mum, this was your choice and so you should live with the way that it is.

I am sorry, but as much as your mum says throw away comments (and I know how challenging this is, my Mum also does it), I expect she does think she provides you with support (goes for walk with you etc.)

RealityIsKnockedUp · 25/01/2011 13:52

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fedupofnamechanging · 25/01/2011 13:53

Hecate put it perfectly.

I think there are some very hard attitudes on this thread. The OP isn't expecting (or wanting) her parents to take over or help raise her DC. She just wants a little bit of help now and again. I think it is absolutely appalling that her parents (and ILs) wouldn't put themselves out when she was hospital giving birth. That is a time when a woman really needs her partner to be with her. Yes, she and DH did manage alone, but how sad that that they had to.

When my DC grow up and have their own DC, I will want to make their lives easier in any way that I can. My love for them and feelings of protectiveness won't stop the minute they hit 18.

OP - you can't change who they are. All you can do is remember that when they are old and need help, you will owe them the exact level of care and consideration that they are giving to you.

happynappies · 25/01/2011 13:54

RealityIsKnockedUp I've explained that comment, I feel like I'm on trial here! My dh looks after his children all the time, it was the fact that he'd been up all night with me at the hospital, and was hopeful that either his parents or mine might help him out so that first of all he wasn't trying to look after an 18-month old and a 3-year-old having had no sleep, and secondly so that he could visit me, and thirdly so that he could collect me and dd from hospital. I get it. People think AIBU.

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clevercloggs · 25/01/2011 13:56

can i ask why do you keep having more children if you feel a) you cant cope "alone" and b) you expect other people to help you bring them up

you are making your choices, your mum and dad made theirs - you cant expect them to help you out more (dad already comes round twice a week to mind the kids) poor mum works full time and has a mother to visit daily. Why should she want to take on more responsibility at her time of life

happynappies · 25/01/2011 13:56

Thankyou karmabeliever, exactly right. Am in tears now, I don't think I'm asking the world, it was just so stressful when I was literally having contractions two minutes apart and we were on the phone pleading for some help, and being told about mundane GP appointments and the fact that there were interviews the next day for a teaching assistant position...

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happynappies · 25/01/2011 13:59

I don't feel I can't cope alone, and I don't expect other people to help me to bring them up. I find it hard, but thats life. I don't expect anyone else to help dh and I to bring them up. We just thought about the relationship we had with our own grandparents, who were helpful, visited often, were involved, we stayed with them overnight occasionally, went out with them from time to time, and treasure these memories. We stupidly thought our own parents might want to be a bit involved. I'm getting too upset to rationally answer all of these points so am leaving it for now. Thanks for making me think, I am trying to take it on board, I realise my Mum has her own life.

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chitchatinsantasear · 25/01/2011 14:06

I feel for you, happynappies. I don't have any help from my family but that is because we moved away. I know that they would love to help out if they could, if we lived near them.

But I do get the support with telephone chats etc.

You don't even have that, do you?

When you love someone, you want what is best for them, and you are willing to give something of yourself to them. It sounds as though your families have a warped idea of love.

Make yourself a new family - that doesn't mean eliminate your parents and ILs, but just distance them and stop expecting from them, and maybe not be so giving to them. Reach out to good friends, make new friends and see if you can make them EXCELLENT friends (easier said than done though!!!).

I've recently made a friend who has been an absolute life saver for me. She has stepped in and looked after my DCs a few times when I've really needed it, and I've done the same for her.

I'm afraid that's all you can do really (apart from making some remarks to your mum about hoping she never ends up in a nursing home, because she'll only get the level of help that she gives out!!!)

sevendwarves · 25/01/2011 14:16

Don't get too upset by people's comments, after all you did post in AIBU!

I understand how you feel but have you tried actually telling your mum how you feel? Try talking to her about your memories of your grandparents when you were younger, how fond you were of the closeness you had with them and that it's the sort of relationship you'd like your DC's to have with their grandparents.

I think you need to take a step back and try to see both points of view here. You said your mum is above retirement age (can I ask how old?), still works full-time and visits her own mother daily. I think any spare time she does get she should be able to spend relaxing and enjoying herself, especially if she's always worked hard and spent years bringing up her own children .

iamusuallybeingunreasonable · 25/01/2011 14:16

I work full time

DH works full time

DD is in nursery

Parents all live otherwise of country

My mum and fil are dead, my Mil doesn't give a stuff, my dad works a 50hr week

Our friends all work

When we decided to have children we knew all this, get over yourself, your kids, your responsibility, harsh but true

RealityIsKnockedUp · 25/01/2011 14:21

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iamusuallybeingunreasonable · 25/01/2011 14:24

Ps, your not unreasonable to wish for help, i do too and get quite jealous when friends parents literally run their lifes, but yabu for thinking its a sacrifice your mum should make

lookingforwards · 25/01/2011 14:47

ha ha, OP Your post has made my day! My mum likes to talk the talk about being involved but cant hack it when they are actually in her house! Once a year if we ask super nicely we are able to take them to hers (an hour and a half away) overnight so we can have 24 hours alone together. I am grateful for that but its not much time to look after them is it!

And she most of all loves to talk about how hard it was for her in her day and how her mother was incredibly unsupportive...Confused

Inlaws are 3 hrs away so minimal help there too although they do actually come to see the kids about every 8 wks for an afternoon and a night, bring own sheets, and also help by cooking supper when they are here.

Mum also stresses me with dramatic theories and stories when my kids are sick, or asking if they might have bronchitis/pneumonia when they have a cough etc. Or she (equally helpfully) tells me how brilliantly other people's (adult) kids are handling high flying careers with their babies and nannies (I am a SAHM) and all the money they are making or how well their babies are sleeping etc etc. When DS was born she came into the hospital when he was 3 hrs old and suggested I bottlefeed him because 'all that stuff about breast being best is rubbish Hmm'. Her suggestions are so strident but also so exhaustingly not what I would ever do ('leave him to cry'. Or 'put him where you can't hear him and leave him all night long', etc.) that its tiring having her around anyway! She comes about every 2 months for the afternoon and expects dinner and a clean bed so not really much time off for me!

And to top it all off, when I try to maintain contact between the kids and her, by trotting off there with everyone in tow and all the bags packed for the afternoon about once a month, she makes out that she provides childcare as a duty/service!!

I too am considering emigrating to Australia!

I am trying to accept the idea of just doing this on my own and come to terms with not having one of those wonderfully helpful models of mother, sadly. We have zero family (brother or sister in laws I mean) with kids either so are doing this more or less on our own. Except paid babysitters every 6 months or so for an evening. You made me feel less alone, OP so take heart!

diddl · 25/01/2011 14:53

"have a Mum they can confide in and enjoy being with"

But that´s nothing to do with having children, is it?

And if you don´t get on (if that is the case), why would having children change that?

Vallhala · 25/01/2011 15:10

"I hope that parents who won't help out their kids because they have their own life to lead have that same attitude when they are elderly and their children don't help them in any way, shape or form. No shopping trips, no sorting anything out, no cooking, no popping in - just bang them into a nursing home and get on with your life. Cos you're under no obligation to help them, right?"

Exactly right, Hecate, and (I kid you not, this is genuine) we've already had that conversation in this house. For me it's incredibly important that my daughters don't give up their lives and opportunities to tend to me when I'm old... I'll have had my time and, having stared a potentially terminal illness in the face at the age of 37 whilst caring for two infants singlehandedly I'm painfully aware that none of us have any idea what life is going to throw at us and how the hopes and dreams of our youth can be totally fucked up by things out of our control. I'd hate for my girls to waste their precious younger years caring for me.

And, as I said, by the same token I have a lot of living to catch up on and I won't be wasting that time caring for and spending a great deal of time with anyone else's children once mine have grown up. Yep, I'm selfish, but so be it, I don't want to spend my older years tied down to other people, big or small, or being a martyr.

Vallhala · 25/01/2011 15:13

Oh, and btw, it could be worse. When my step-sister had her DD her own mother required paying when she cared for S-S's daughter though oddly she was far more interested in parading seeing her grandaughter when the little girl started making a name for herself as a national champion gymnast. Funny that, eh?

(Yes, I do win the award for having the world's most evil stepmother)

BoomTittyBoom · 25/01/2011 15:15

YANBU to hope for some extra help/emotional support from your own mother, that's what family are for. I am in a similar circumstance to yourself and don't get much help. Traditional family values are dying out now IMO. But it's right what they say, you cannot change someone. Don't waste your life being resentful/upset and try to do the best you can for your own family.
I can't get my head around this idea that some posters have though, of parents "switching off" from their children when they are a certain age because they have already devoted/sacrificed X amount of years to bringing them up etc etc

reluctanthomosapien · 25/01/2011 15:22

There are some really harsh things being said to the OP here. She's not asking for her mother to take over all her childcare, just a little emotional support and a bit of practical support. I'd give that to a friend/neighbour if I could, let alone a relative.

I suspect, OP, that the real root of your issues with your mum has little to do with your current circumstances and everything to do with unresolved and long standing antagonism between the two of you. It's a fairly common theme amongst women with an antagonistic relationship with their mother rooted in childhood, IME, to hope/believe everything will suddenly come good between you when you have your own children. It might not be glaringly obvious, but I imagine it's there. Your mother sounds cold, detached and uncaring and I doubt she was any different to you as a child.

You need to reassess your expectations of her. Then either suck it up and live with it or distance yourself from her. I say this in the belief that it's her being present/nearby/able bodied/aware of your struggling and yet doing nothing to help that hurts more than if you just didn't see her. It's the constant feeling of being let down, not supported and, basically, unloved. I've completely cut off my parents for similar reasons, although there's quite a history in my case (in a nutshell, abusive when I was a child, all take and no give in my adulthood, decided I didn't need it).

I wish you lots of luck.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 25/01/2011 15:22

Sorry to hear that you're having a hard time, OP but I see this kind of post so often... Grandparents SPENDING TIME with grandchildren is not at all the same as grandparents BABYSITTING, often under duress.

Why not ask your parents and ILs what kinds of activities they would like to do with their grandchildren - and then make it happen but at their convenience, not yours. You're helping them to build up a relationship between them, it's distinct from yours.

Your Mum may well work because she has to visit your grandmother in the nursing home. It's much easier to nip in on the way back from work than have to go out from home. Do you ever visit her?

diddl · 25/01/2011 15:29

OP-I wonder if your mum is so determined not to get involved in full time child care that she has gone to the extreme of not being available at all iyswim?

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 25/01/2011 15:33

Just reading back through the thread and I'm astonished at the posters basically saying that if Grandparents don't 'help out', then they can't expect to be looked after in their old age...

Blimey... those Grandparents are our parents and we have a responsibility to them... they don't have a responsibility to look after our children but some do for whatever reason.

I can understand those that have bad relationships with their parents not wanting to be bothered when the parents are elderly but to the rest, it just smacks of 'tit for tat' retaliation. :(