To think that resources are being wasted on underserving scrubbers

[rezbites]

It makes me very angry to think that deserving parents, like Riven and her partner, are being denied the help the help they so clearly need when there are others in our society who are bleeding the system dry and giving nothing back. Please let me explain what I mean.

Where I live (and in other parts of the country too, I'm sure) there is a certain "underclass" of young women - you know the ones I mean - little scrubbers who clearly model themselves on Vicky Pollard - who are provided with everything by the State. They have not suffered abandonment, divorce or bereavement. They have not been made redundant or struggled to find a job - they have never tried to get one. They have chosen to become single mothers, straightout of school in many cases, so that they qualify for social housing and benefits to live on, claiming that they cannot work because they have a child. They think the world owes them a living and it is their right to claim all these things. I do not mean to suggest that they are typical of single parents or council tenants generally because I know that they are not. They are a feckless, but very visible, minority.

Why should the country waste resouces on these selfish, irresponsible deadbeats who have chosen that lifestyle, at the expense of people in genuine need of help - the disabled, the vulnerable and those who through no fault of their own have ended up in very difficult circumstances?

It's not a job. It's actually illegal in this country.

I wouldn't know about that, I'll have to ask your mum.

She said it doesn't pay any more. She blamed it on the credit crunching.

"I am talking about a minority of young women who have chosen, I repeat chosen, to become single mothers simply in order to secure the council house and the benefits"

"half the girls I'm talking about don't know for certain who their child's father actually is."

and do you pay expenses to all these 'scrubbers' that take part in your surveys or do they offer this information up for free? do tehy wear a card round their necks that says they are officially a scrubber who doesn't know who her baby's dad is and that she has never applied for a job?

What about the women who live with their partners and the partner actively chooses to not work? Surely you can't defend them?

How does one become a scrubber?

I think I might go for it.

Or a babyfather. I've always liked the sound of them.

Ask your mum, Hully.

So OP under what circumstances did you have children. You obviously have a DP so was washing his socks, scrubbing etc for him part of the deal?

Disgusting OP, nothing whatsoever to do with Riven. These girls don't have much choice in life. Leave school and go and work on an apprentice for £2.50 and hour or have a baby, never have to work and get a home provided. They are entitled to claim these benefits as children in our society are supposed to be looked after no matter who the parents are. What do you propose to change it?

Just have to be born on the wrong side of the tracks and like a bit of cock Hully.

Yes, yes, SGB, I agree. Such a waste! But even if you put the emotion aside, it is still a massive waste of economic potential. These young people could be trained, skilled and adding so much to the economy. And I don't bloody mean stuffing them all through university. The quicker we start a 'forked' approach to school at 14, the better.

I know it happens in some areas but nationally, young people need to be allowed to follow the most suitable path at 14. GCSEs are all very well but if you hate them and never go but instead fall into a pattern of daytime tv and afternoon teenage sex, then it gets harder and harder to break that cycle.

Michael Gove really needs to understand that Ebacc is all very well but is not to way to help the disaffected, impoverished youth.

Babydaddeh.

My nephew is about to become one

"Just have to be born on the wrong side of the tracks and like a bit of cock Hully."

Basically, you need to be a bit more like Shirl'.

Abouteve they got a choice like anybody else, but it is much harder to make an effort, I agree.

bupcakes darling, you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with people's mothers.

She started it ^ Shirley.

Do you want any tips on getting a babydaddeh or what?

The fact is that for many the state has taken on the traditional role of the father. The state is the provider - of housing and money.

The fathers of these children have no role. There was that case of a 25-year-old bloke who had fathered countless children. People were castigating him for "abandoning" his many children. But the mothers didn't want him in their lives. He had no purpose. He was a sperm donor.

I fear for the men of the future. It is the women who have the keys to the council property; they are the source of income. Young men have become pointless. Even one earning a decent wage is an albatross round a girl's neck because she would be better off financially without him.

I can't blame the girls either. They are making (perhaps not consciously) a rational economic decision.

Would you rather stand in a shop all day for minimum wage, not many prospects, no hope of affording your own home, even when married, or would you think that it might be a better idea to get pregnant, spend all day with your mates and get given a flat/house?

I thought ol Shirl was a Dame.

Katie Waissel's nan refers to herself as a Dame.

Think on.

Gramercy, but they should not have this kind of choice. In my home country you'll receive benefits in 95% of your previous pay, but you will be offered jobs and if you decline 3 jobs in a row, your benefits will be stopped forever. So you got a choice to get a job or be refused benefits. Single mothers are offered free childcare if they work 20 hours per week, and some allowance, but stripped of benefits if refused to work. Thats why we dont get as many feckless single mothers. And only disabled get council housing, rest get rent vouchers which are stopped as soon as person gets a job.

But rezbites how do you know they've chosen to be single parents in order to fleece the system? How do you know that they haven't suffered abandonment, divorce or bereavement? How do you know they've never bothered looking for a job in their life? How do you know they don't know who the father of their child is? You speak from a position of supposed absolute knowledge but how much of this do you know for certain? Do you spend 24/7 with each of these women, and know their lives and individual circumstances inside out? Or are you, as I suspect you are, just looking and judging?

I also saw that panorama prog.

The only way to make 'families' is to offer a financial advantage to living together as one.

Basically, why would you put up with a young man who has no life skills, unemployed, perhaps likely to sit around the house all day not really contributing (financially, domestically, as a father, whatever). It was clear that at least one of these girls could not see what a 'father' would bring to her kids, and to be fair, neither could I.

These girls are not going to risk losing the £30 a week, when the presence of the 'babyfather' offers nothing in the way of 'compensation' for this.

agree with gamercy