that you shouldn't open a hotel if you only want straight married couples to stay in it?

[JoanofArgos]

www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/14/christian-couple-barred-gay-couple-shut-hotel

Horrid old bigots, say I.

And I think young female fans of X boyband are not being let into GAY because they are young female fans of X boyband. Not because they fail on the muscle Mary index.

If you say homophobic things along the lines of 'it's one rule for them and another for us' people may well suspect you of being a homophobe (and possibly of being my MIL). EVEN IF you use the blindingly original defence that you can't be because 'some of my mates are gay'

Unrulysun i suggest you read what i wrote. it is not being homophobic to say that if it is illegal to turn away a gay couple then it should also be illegal for the gay community to turn straight people away.

Now expalin why that statement is homophobic.

So young femail fans of x boy band are not being tuned away form G.A.Y because they are straight its because they are young female fans? ehh what, that is, they are straight, they cant come in but I wont say that cause I may be outed for discrimination.

if anyone is being turned away from a gay establishment because they're straight then yes, I think that is illegal

It's phrases like 'it's ok for one and not the other'. It's your apparent failure to realise that you don't need protection as a straight person because the whole of our society is set up to promote/respect/protect your sexuality.

You are coming across as homophobic and if you genuinely don't realise that and don't want to be a homophobe now might be a good time to have a read of some of the posts here, have a look at yours and see where the gap is.

Their website does not need to be changed. It states their preferred clientele, and the atmosphere of the hotel. If yourself and mrsspoc turned up in your brown flannel they would have to accomodate you, and if not you could have recourse to the law.

The only reason gay clubs and hotels and such need to exist at all is because of prejudice and the fact that they have never been welcome in wider society.

I never said you were homophobic MrSpoc, I haven't the foggiest what your feelings are. Where did you get that idea?

And, funnily enough, I wasn't worrying about patronising you, but patronising gay people in my "isn't it lovely to see them gambolling through the flowers in springtime" post. :o

If you want to be patronised though, feel free :o

Hi Elephants - I think your interest in others could be described as anthropological rather than patronising :)

I think its disgusting, that one couples set of beliefs are allowed to be trampled all over because we now ACCEPT homosexuality.

Why should they not be able to choose the clientelle of their business, whats next drug addicts and prostitutes????

Also its not bigoted to have a different view to that of the current community.

MummyCherry - they can't choose the clientele of their business because it is against the law to discriminate against people on the grounds of their sexuality

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It is bigoted to have bigoted views. Can I suggest you go get a dictionary?

You don't think you're being offensive by comparing middle-aged married gay men to drug addicts and prostitutes?

After this thread I think I've finally "turned", I now prefer gay people to straight people. Sorry, straighties.

I've noticed that they all come up with the same opening gambit.

Now where did I put those bees?

Here at Chymorvah we have few rules, but please note that as Christians we have a deep regard for marriage(being the union of one man to one woman for life to the exclusion of all others).

Therefore, although we extend to all a warm welcome to our home, our double bedded accommodation is not available to unmarried couples ? Thank you.

What about hetrosexual couples where one or both members are at that time having an extra-marital affair? Or a hetrosexual woman on her second marriage. They have clearly not kept the bargain of one man or woman for life to the exclusion of all others. Can the owners tell?

I can see the argument for allowing minorities to be able to exclude a majority but don't agree with it. If minority groups want rights, they have to be willing to show that they are as accepting and inclusive as the majority, which most do. OP, YANBU.

they are as accepting and inclusive as the majority

(Even if the 'majority' group has had to be forced to be inclusive)

This may be a red herring, but I was sure the law used to be that a hotel was required to accept anyone who came to it, as long as they had rooms available. However a private hotel, guest house or B&B was legally different and was allowed to turn people away if they wanted to. Because it was more like having people to stay in your own home (although you were charging), so you could decide if you just didn't like the look of them.

But I can't find anything online which says for sure if that was true, or got changed, or what....

Anyway, it has certainly always been the case that a hotel (which I think Chymorvah is, despite being referred to as a B&B) has to take all comers without discrimination.

I don't know on what basis hotels are allowed to be adults-only or couples-only - maybe they legally aren't but people don't challenge them?

Many B&B establishments exist which prohibit children and even "heteros".

As has been said many times already, a hotel banning heteros would - rightly - be as illegal as one banning gay couples. Can you show us the website of one which actually bans (as opposed to advertising that they are for gays), so we can judge it properly?

As to banning children - well, age discrimination is legal, certainly at the lower end. Children are banned from some pubs, and (I assume) lapdancing clubs.

Harpy, not the hotel in the lawsuit, the gay hotel in Blackpool linked to much later on. Thats my home town and I'm very familiar with the scene there.

and banning children is not illegal. They are not the paying customers, and they are not a protected minority.

um, no, thats the one we were talking about earlier. Like I said, I'm not a gay man.

They do try hard to keep it gay only. But only within the law. And really, when you think about it, its not the same thing.

A space meant exclusively for a minority of people who have been criminalised, imprisoned, abused, beaten, murdered, derided discriminated against and mocked,

vs

space for everyone else, eg, straight people, who effectively have the world.

Not really the same. But the LAW applies to all, nobody can discriminate on grounds of sexuality.