What on earth is wrong with vaccinating children ffs?

[poshsinglemum]

I'm sure this has been done before a million times.

A friend of mine who has gone all woo recently isn't vaccinating her dd because some quack gave a lecture on the evils of vaccinating. My ex boyfriends mum was a complete quack/chrystal healer and begged me not to vaccinate against typhoid, encaphalitus, rabies etc when I went to the third world. She gave me a homeopathic kit. Needless to say I got the jabs anyway.

I think that the ''evidence'' not to vaccinate is coming from the woo crew and is fuelled by paranoid conspiracy theories concerning the pharmeceutical industry. I am not completely convinced by the industry myself but I'd rather take a chance on them than my dd getting polio etc.

I just read the MIL thread but I have been meaning to discuss this for ages.

silverfrog "good to see there are people on here believing the utter shit that was printed in the Sun the other day re: Wakefield." -

Are you saying this is wrong

Are you saying YOU know better than The Lancet and The British Medical Journal, Im curious? I would hardly state that these medical journals are equivalent to the Sun lol.

cumbria81: you're correct,this is the case in many countries. Many universities also require a full vaccination record. I went to the US to do my PhD and had to show a full vaccination record back to my baby vaccs. before I could register.

pointydog, calm down dear, no one is suggesting stoning FFS. .

Just taking responsibility for a preventable illness and taking responsibility for those that have no choice, whether due to their family coming from a place where vaccines are not available, or due to a child's existing medical condition.

I was one of them....child with anaphalaxic egg allergy. Had to have jabs done in hospital environment at 3 years, so we could be in resus in case he crashed.

As he is also a chronic asthmatic, chances are that contracting Measles would have had severe consequences for him.

newgold dream, have a read of
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this

this
this one addresses the recent BMJ crap

there are more if you want, but I suspect you will dismiss it all as "of course they will say that"

why one Earth the BMJ (a research journal!) decided to print the article by Deer, full as usua of the same old lies and inconsistencies is beyond me.

serioulsy, not what a research journal should be doing - publishing articles by journalists which do not stand up to even the smallest amount of scrutiny...

I am not completely convinced by the industry myself but I'd rather take a chance on them than my dd getting polio etc

So you aren't convinced but do so anyway... and a parent who chooses not to is somehow totally wrong?

Surely you just do what's best like anything else and hope to god you haven't fucked it up.

I actually said that the largest number of unvaccinated were new arrivals (the comment about asylum seekers was simply meant as an obvious example of those who would not ever be able to supply immunisation records, there are of course others).

It is not meant as a discriminatory comment - simply a reflection that not everyone who lives in Britain grew up in a place with a good infant immunisation programme.

Riven

Exemptions in the US vary by state. In MA where I went to grad school, the only exemptions for either school or uni or for religious or medical reasons and they set a VERY high bar. Generally, no imms, means no school and no uni.

See page 2 here: medweb.mit.edu/pdf/medreport-1011.pdf

re: The Lancet

you are, of course aware that Richard HOrton, the editor of the Lancet, described the 1998 paper as "an exemplary case study; good science which still stands"? at the GMC trial?

that he, in essence, agreed with the paper and it's conclusions. he also said he wished that the paper could be considered int he light in which it was first presented, without all the media fuss?

he did go on to retract the paper publically - a political move which he had to do - but he said all of the above while standing as a witness for the prosecution.

again, go figure.

Riven

I guess things might have changed since I was there over 15 years ago then. At that time you were basically given no choice.

I am not sure if the mumps vaccine was around 30 odd years ago, but is something that is obviously in the MMR now. But I did get a mild version of it and that is apparently why I am deaf in one ear. These diseases have serious side effects.

My mum didn't get my immunised against whooping cough as there was so controversy she now regrets that as I got it and was really ill.

I do understand there are some individuals who react badly to vaccines and there should be some exceptions. But from my personal experience as someone else said its a social not just personal responsibility to get your child immunised.

Well this is easily dealt with. OP you're ignorant, badly informed, lazy and a nob.

Do report if this makes you go all sensitive.