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Sex education for 5 year olds????

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etta81 · 13/01/2011 16:28

My daughter is only 2 at the moment so don't really have to worry about this yet but am I mad to be disgusted at the thought of a 5 year old getting sex education at school?? I would even consider taking my daughter out of the lessons!! Why do they need to know about he facts of life at such a young age? I didn't have it and I didn't get pregnant at 13, I think its got more to do with your upbringing and your social circles whether or not you get pregnant at a young age. You can give some kids all the education in the world and they'll still go out and get pregnant because its what their friends are doing.

Maybe the problem is really due to the fact that having kids before marriage is sociably acceptable nowadays and there's no shame in being pregnant at 14, you no longer have to hide away. I don't think that you should be hidden away or that its wrong to have kids if you're not married, its just a thought.

Am I just being naive or does anyone else feel like this.

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mommmmyof2 · 17/01/2011 12:25

goodness me sorry cannot spell correct! must not have a brain

WiiUnfit · 20/01/2011 16:48

Excuse me mommmy, I didn't suggest using the "special cuddle" line, I said I believe that's the term they're using in schools.

Like someone said - you telling DD that a baby is born because you & her DF "love each other" does not answer her question & may confuse her more e.g. "What if I love someone? Will we have a baby?"

Also, I would recommend you do some reading up things before you try discussing babies with your DD & DS, a baby is grown in a womb, not a "whom". Wink

shakira123 · 26/02/2011 08:53

Bit of an old thread but I'm gonna jump in here anyway.

I cannot believe some of yours attitudes and comments to the OP. She didn't say she was never going to talk to her kids just that she wasn't happy with it being taught in schools - everytime someone brings this up on mumsnet everyone assumes that if you don't include your kids in sex ed you are not going to tell them anything or are a religous nutjob as someone put.

Another comment that comes up a lot is "it will be age appropriate" - by whose definition? who knows better than a parent what is age appropriate for their child, the government, a teacher, I don't think so. In the UK it seems to be that Channel 4 have decided what is appropriate and that includes telling 5 yr olds it's nice to rub your clitoris & 7 year olds how to have sex in several positions and telling them how exciting and fun it is.

Someone quoted early sex ed reduces sexual activity, where are you getting this from? - there have been no studies yet in the UK into the effects of early sex education - lots of studies of effects of sex education on teens and guess what - it doesn't work and in some areas increased pregnancies. The Teenage Pregnancy Strategy cost £300 million lasted 10 years,achieved nothing and has now been disbanded.

As to The Netherlands - yes they teach sex ed but it differs from school to school and again there is no evidence that it has a bearing on their low rates. They have a strong family culture, sexual activity is seen to be shameful oh and don't forget they don't hand out flats and benefits to teenage mums.

It's the attitudes in this country are wrong not lack of education and it's parents that influence attitude more than anything.

You all seem to want your kids to be well informed yet are ill informed yourself about the materials being used in schools, how unsuccessfull the pregnancy strategy has been, or how attitudes in the Netherlands differ from here.

As for kids needing to know everything - when are we gonna take a step back and remember they are KIDS and we are the adults, they fight with you over homework, don't understand discipline and generally behave with the maturity they have - just cos you give them knowledge it does not mean they use that knowledge wisely. Would you give your 10 yr old a million pounds and expect them to spend it wisely?

There are loads of kids having sex and getting pregnant - True, there are also equally a lot of kids not having sex, aware of it via playground talk yes but really interested in it at 9, 10 , 11 . No - Normalising and encouraging young kids to think about, talk about, and watch explicit videos about sex will only lower their inhibitions eventually.

When the time comes I'll teach my kids about puberty & allow my kids to learn about puberty at school (if it's done in an appropriate way)cos that is growing up and will happen to them, anything above and beyond that I won't because ultimately I am responsible for my childs welfare, not the school, and I will be the one to pick up the pieces if he gets it into is head that having sex at 13 is perfectly acceptable as long as you use a condom. Until such time there is strong conclusive evidence that we are not sexualising our children and the conception and std rates are going down I'm afraid the gov, schools and C4 can take their explicit videos and stick them where the sun doesnt shine.

cory · 26/02/2011 14:03

"They have a strong family culture, sexual activity is seen to be shameful oh and don't forget they don't hand out flats and benefits to teenage mums."

Are you sure of your facts here? That sex is considered shameful in the Netherlands? How many Dutch people do you know? Hmm

I have never lived in the Netherlands, but I do have plenty of experience of Sweden, another country with low teenage pregnancy rates and I can assure you that sex is not seen as shameful there. Sexual education is taught in accordance with a general national curriculum- and yes, there are benefits for young parents who need them. SO no differences there.

Ime the reason Swedish teenagers are careful not to fall pregnant is not because they are not having sex; it's because they are having a good time and are generally quite hopeful about the futue: they don't want to be tied down by a baby when they're busy enjoying themselves. They expect a life that is better than life on benefits as a single parent.

If more British teenagers had the same expectations I am sure we would see the teen pregnancy rates plummet.

emgem · 17/03/2011 20:58

Having actually taken the time to research exactly what is being taught in the SRE programme in uk state primary schools, I have found it all rather alarming and my personal opinion is that there appears to be a type of mass 'grooming' going on by the authorities that is totally undermining parents responsibility for their children. Contraceptives are being pushed in a big way, and why? Because they have the backing of the BIG contraceptive companies, which = BIG money. I STRONGLY urge all parents to find out as much information as possible about SRE, I've requested to see the material being shown to the children at my primary school three times and have been fobbed off every time, I've now taken my concerns to the board of school governors and if my request is not satisfied, I will remove my child from the school entirely.
There's also been a number of cases in my local area of children accessing porn sites on their home computers after learning new 'things' at school, so I would advise all parents to implement parental locks on their computers.... something we never thought we'd need to do til the kids at least became teenagers!!
A couple of good sources of info:- www.famyouth.org.uk and www.spuc.org.uk

AyeRobot · 17/03/2011 21:01

THE TEENAGE PREGNANCY RATE IS FALLING.

Lizzalbethal · 24/03/2011 14:03

I am sorry but I completely disagree. It should be up to US as parents to decide when it is appropriate to tell our child/children about the facts of life not schools! Surely as parents we have rights! Sex is an adult, not a child's subject. You wouldn't teach a child of five to drive before the age of seventeen so why try to teach innocent children about sex before they are able to comprehend? Keep children, children. That is the beauty of them.

mummytime · 24/03/2011 14:27

Lizzabethal - this is an old thread, read all of it. What they teach 5 year olds is: people change as they get older. Not much else.

BTW my son of 14 has already had a driving lesson.

valiumredhead · 24/03/2011 15:29

I started telling ds the facts of life from the age of about 3 - he's 9 now and I tell him on a need to know basis (when he asks!) We've covered just about everything including sex changes - it was mentioned on The Simpsons one day, and thanks to the Emmerdale story line he knows all about people being gay too Grin

As long as it's age appropriate it is FINE.

Melly19MummyToBe · 24/03/2011 15:43

My sister is incredibly excited at being an aunty/auntie?? for the first time, her DCs are almost 4, and 2. When she said to her almost4yo DS, that "aunty/auntie?? Mel is cooking a baby in her tummy, would you like to hold the baby when it's here?" He replied, "no it might be a bit too hot" :o

My little sister is 4, and she keeps asking 'When can she see the baby? Does it have clothes on? How did it get there? And each question is answered as honestly and appropriately as possible :)

Crawling · 24/03/2011 16:36

I have no opinion on whether the sex ed is ok or not because I have not looked into it, however I am from a area in the uk with one of the highest teen pg rates so thought I would comment on that angle.

I got pg at 15 my best friend too. I had a older boyfriend and lost my virginity at just after my 13th b.day I was not the youngest, one of my friends was 11 yes Shock . We had no entertainment within 30minutes drive no cinema no shops no parks nothing and spent most nights hanging on street corners drinking and some of us were doing drugs. I got pg at 15 not because I didnt know what contraception was but because I was young and had the attitude it wouldnt happen to me, a baby would be cute it was more fun if it was risky. I also knew two people who had fertility treatment so thought I was being lied to when teachers said unprotected sex just once and you will get pg. I then disregarded all I was told. I did not care about stds because I was too young to be mature enough to see the outcomes of my actions.

I was too young to be having sex and didnt want to use contraception because when you are young you have this view that it wont happen to you. By the time I was 16 my sexual partner count was double figures but where I grew up this was not uncommon. Just thought my experience might offer help in lowering rates.

Melly19MummyToBe · 24/03/2011 21:18

Same here Crawling, although I was 14. It was my first time and I also didn't believe it would happen to me, I didn't believe it when told you CAN get PG on your first time. My best friend got PG at 15. I didn't keep my baby, but she did, he is 4 now. I am so happy I didn't keep mine because if I had, I wouldn't have my amazing DP and we wouldn't be having a baby now, I would probably be stuck in some crappy council flat with every benefit going and a small child I wouldn't really know what to do with!. I wouldn't be in a lovely house with a mortgage and a decent job and a baby on the way with my partner of 4 and a half years. I might still be too young, but I have grown up a lot and know exactly what I'm taking on :)

shakira123 · 27/03/2011 11:18

The last two posts by crawling and Melly19MummyToBe illustrate my point perfectly, just because they were educated on contraception, std's ect it doesn't mean they had the maturity to listen and act on the information given. And whilst these two already sexually active girls were having sex education what about the rest of the class who may not have considered having sex suddenly decide that as they are being taught about it and condoms handed out it is condoned & they may as well have a go too?

Thank you for sharing your stories - your story illustrates it's not about the sex education you received but your teenage attitudes and circumstances at the time.

Cory - I am sure of my facts, I'll rephrase something I said though that sexual activity is shameful in the Netherlands, what i meant was that becoming a teenage mum is shameful and there is a huge emphasis on gaining an good education. Which echo's some of your comments
"Ime the reason Swedish teenagers are careful not to fall pregnant is not because they are not having sex; it's because they are having a good time and are generally quite hopeful about the futue: they don't want to be tied down by a baby when they're busy enjoying themselves. They expect a life that is better than life on benefits as a single parent.

If more British teenagers had the same expectations I am sure we would see the teen pregnancy rates plummet"

What makes me angry that so many of the UK have watched the channel 4 programme with Davina McCall and then form an opinion based on that 1 programme without looking any deeper. How do you know they did not pick the most extreme school to make their programme? Any facts anywhere can be misrepresented.
We are not the same society as the Netherlands, Holland, Sweden, etc therefore you cannot compare accurately based on one factor only you have to look at the whole picture.

There are areas in the UK that have extremely low rates of conception (how have they achieved that then with no primary school sex ed? I guess it must be the parents) and areas that have high rates yet everyone makes a generalised assumption "that all kids everywhere need to know about sex at a young age"

Crawling and melly - again thanks for sharing your teenage experiences, i wish you both well.

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