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Circumcision but no Circumcision Party

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thefruitwhisperer · 29/12/2010 10:58

DP is turkish but he and his family were all born in the UK and dont practise Muslim traditions apart from Eid. My DP is the only one who does Ramadan and thats only every couple of years when he can be bothered. They celebrate xmas and easter etc.

Ive agreed to have our month old baby circumcised as thats what DP wants and I agree that there are plus points, but Im an atheist so I would like all religious connotations taken out of the situation. I think thats a fair compromise (esp as its going to be quite hard for me, Im really scared) and I would like it to be a quiet decision between DP and I. His family will know the baby has been cut, why do we need to celebrate it in a party that is more for the sake of getting presents than it is anything else. I dont want the gifts.

DP has admitted that the only reason his family circumcise their babies is for social reasons, everyone has it done, everyone has a party, everyone gets money as gifts. Ive compromised on the actual circumcism, and I really really dont want to have a party. I will feel as though Ive sold my babies foreskin. Add to that, if theres no religious reason for it, why are we even doing it - and the only answer I can see is cultural/social/peer pressure reasons. I just dont see any reason to celebrate this pointless operation (obviously only pointless in this instance, I can understand where it is necessary medically or in religious circumstances) other than to show off that we have conformed and then get some money. Children who have their appendixes out dont have parties. I mean, I could equally argue that we have the baby christened catholic, my family all are and dont go to church.

AIBU to have the operation but draw the line at a party? I think DPs family are all going to be disappointed with me. And his grandparents apparently disowned his uncle for the same thing.

OP posts:
ginhag · 29/12/2010 11:35

OP you are also clearly quite confused about why you are doing this. You state that you want 'all religious associations removed' but also that if it's not for religious reasons then what is the point...

I don't normally get involved with discussions about other people's faith, but this isn't about faith. It's about doing something drastic THAT WILL HURT YOUR BABY for the sake of some fuzzy social convention.

The more I think about it the more flabbergasted I am by your choice of compromise on this... I just don't understand WTF you are doing.

ashamedandconfused · 29/12/2010 11:35

If you were doing this for very strong religious reasons I would support your right to believe and choose what you want even though i could not do it to my DS,and have a different faith myself

we have not even had ours BAPTISED because we want that to be THEIR decision LOL!! we did have a beautiful thanksgiving service, no massive guest list or "do", just grandparents, and a small lunch at home, couple of books as presents

dont just do it because its what everyone else expects. thats not what it means at all.

why not have a celebratory party to welcome baby and let extended friends and family meet him, & newborns gets gifts anyway, dont they

truffleshuffle · 29/12/2010 11:35

I wouldn't circumcise my DS for any reason other than medical, under a doctors advice.
If your DH only celebrates Eid and does Ramadan when he can be bothered he's hardly a strict Muslim and therefore cutting off your DS's foreskin in these circumstances is wrong and barbaric.

diddl · 29/12/2010 11:36

Well I don´t think that that can be applied to everyone tbh.

my husband was circumcised as an adult & has not really noticed any difference.

otchayaniye · 29/12/2010 11:38

Are you American, by any chance? It seems routine there, for aesthetic AND religious reasons and parents often feel they ought to conform.

Watch a video, it's horrible and unnecessary. But that's not my main issue as in most cases the pain is short lived and the child won't remember.

But it can ruin sensitivity in that area. That is something your child will have to live with forever.

ginhag · 29/12/2010 11:39

And the family will disown you for not having the party anyway???? SO LEAVE HIS PENIS ALONE!!!!

Sorry but I dont think this is something to do for no particular reason. I find it really quite upsetting, and your 'logic' baffles me completely.

seeker · 29/12/2010 11:40

Any unnecessary surgical procedure performed without infomed consent is asaault.

newyearsheave · 29/12/2010 11:40
Shock You're going to have your son circumcised even though you're an atheist and you're kvetching about a party?
FrostyTheCrunchyFrog · 29/12/2010 11:44

Horrible idea, completely U. If my family would disown me for refusing to mutilate my child, then I would consider myself well shot of them.

MickyLee · 29/12/2010 11:44

Well OP, I'm with you!

Sorry for anyone that objects but my DS will be circumsised.

He will be 20 months at the time and we are going with the Plasti-Bell meathod.

I live in a Muslim country and if he isn't circumcised then he will be the only boy in school with a foreskin! Although I don't expect boys to be naked around each other, if anyone notices while in gym or the toilets then my DS might get a really hard time.

Not only this but he would have to have to be circumcised for an Islamic marriage(if he wants this of course), and I am sure he would of wished it was done as a tot!

We are not having a party. Mainly because he will be far too young and also I find it very private.

lal123 · 29/12/2010 11:47

He's prefer it was done as a tot? Why? So he didn't remember the pain?

If there were no religious reasons then there would be no circumcision - its a totally unnecessary and barbaric thing to do to a baby.

Inertia · 29/12/2010 11:47

How about you just have a naming ceremony if you want gifts ?

Let your son make the decision about whether to put himself through the pain of hacking off part of his genitals when he is an adult. If your inlaws don't like it , tough.

And your husband is acting like a hypocrite if he tries to insist the circumcision is performed when he only observes the religious practices convenient for him.

GabbyLoggon · 29/12/2010 11:48

Has anyone done a prostate party? Many men get problems. It is serious, but I can still laugh at my problems.

 I met a bloke who had it, right?
He was peeing 16 times a night. 

 I cant beat that, to be sure
   I can only manage 3 0r 4.
diddl · 29/12/2010 11:49

"Sorry for anyone that objects but my DS will be circumsised."

But if you or his father aren´t Muslim& he doesn´t have to have it done to live there, why would you have it done?

ManateeEquineOhara · 29/12/2010 11:51

This is hideous...you sound so unsure, that I really think you should be saying no way to this.

ManateeEquineOhara · 29/12/2010 11:52

And yeah...watch some videos...do you really want to out your baby through that?

ManateeEquineOhara · 29/12/2010 11:55
:(
MickyLee · 29/12/2010 11:56

lal123 He would prefer it done as a tot because the meathod which we are choosing can only be used on small children. It is painfree and leave no scar. Basically it is a ring is tied to the foreskin (topical nerve blocking cream first) which cuts off the circulation and after 5 days or so the forskin falls away.

GMajor7SwansASwimming · 29/12/2010 11:59

Grim. I say it again. You are born with a foreskin ffs! In God's image and all that...

seeker · 29/12/2010 11:59

ANy other bits of his body you're going to arbitrarily decide on his behalf that he won't want?

MickyLee · 29/12/2010 12:00

diddl sorry I didn't make it clear but DH is a practising Muslim.

Normally an Imman would come to the house at around when a boy is around 8yrs old and circumcise!!! No way, I could never allow (nor DH) this tradional set up

MoonUnitAlpha · 29/12/2010 12:00

Just have a nice party and leave the poor child's body intact!

What's wrong with you??

LaWeaselMys · 29/12/2010 12:01

Is anyone going to look in the nappy and check?

Just say you did it and don't... Might as well put of the drama until they're totally in love with him and don't want to disown him.

nomoreheels · 29/12/2010 12:02

FGM is illegal for girls, I don't understand why non-medically necessary circumcision is allowed for boys... Granted FGM is more barbaric but it still has similarities.

ArthurPewty · 29/12/2010 12:05

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