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to think women writhing around in suspenders and stockings is...

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hatwoman · 11/12/2010 20:52

...not really family viewing? I've barely watched x-factor in my life but I had thought everyone said that, for all its faults, it was something that had got families watching telly together. I was expecting wholesome boy bands and gutsy young girls. Clearly I'm naive and a prude.

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Giggle78 · 11/12/2010 23:28

Well I've complained to OFCOM and it did only take a minute.

Why is it wrong to stand up for some sort of standards in this country?

We are progressively seeing more and more sexualised and violent content in our magazines, on tv etc and actually people who are not prudes nor small minded don't like it. I won't go into our corner shop because of the porn on sale at my eye height and I am 5ft. I just don't want to see it.

I'm all for artistic freedom of expression and allowing artists to push boundaries but I am also for protecting people. And this sort of highly sexualised behaviour is not appropriate in this time slot or for the audience viewing.

There are adult channels that Rhianna and Xtina can gyrate away to their hearts content on. Then I don't have to watch it when I'm sitting in my living room at 8.40pm at night.
PS
I also don't think the highly sexualised dancing tonight was artistic expression - it was crap.

HerBeatitude · 11/12/2010 23:29

Viz the observation that it's no different from Hot Gossip:

I remember watching Pans People and Hot Gossip when I was a kid and feeling embarrassed and ashamed. I didn't know quite why I felt ashamed, but I now realise it was because this was showing me, what women were, and I knew I would be a woman when I grew up. And it was obvious even to an 8 year old, that they were there to shake their arses around for men, and I didn't think I'd like to do that.

When I was a teenager, I assumed that by the time I had my own children, that sexist portrayal of women would no longer be around. Instead, pans people/ hot gossip are everywhere - at least I had other, more diverse portrayals of women to tune into. My DD's images of women are probably less diverse than mine were.

notjustapotforsoup · 11/12/2010 23:29

Heh.

eyes down

Have I got "choice" yet?

LeninGrad · 11/12/2010 23:31

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ellesbelles79 · 11/12/2010 23:32

Indeed bubblebrain - they are performers!

If you dont like the "performance" then dont watch it! Its not rocket science....nobody has a gun to your head forcing you to watch it ffs

MsSparkle · 11/12/2010 23:32

What i mean is, ITV bosses may well say "Well we don't recomment the show to 8 yr olds" iyswim.

Off subject but i remember Lisa Kudrow from friends being horified that people would moan to her about some of the content in friends when their kids watch it. But she said it isn't made for kids and she wouldn't show it to her kids.

I think my point is, parents also have some responisbilty as well as ITV, on deciding what is appropriote for their kids to watch. I think most of the contents in soaps, especially Eastenders, is not suitable for kids viewing. Yet that is on at 7.30pm.

LeninGrad · 11/12/2010 23:33

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Nickiename · 11/12/2010 23:33

Creative? CREATIVE? Jesus, if this is your idea of creativity I genuinely feel very sorry for you. What a brutal and limited life you lead.

corlan · 11/12/2010 23:33

Sounds like you need a nap amijee.

(If in doubt, pull out the 'fundamentalist' argument - yawn)

There are grey areas - you're right but it was easy to draw the line tonight.

catsinthejinglebelfry · 11/12/2010 23:33

what was wrong with the Rianna thing? She starts off ina Zebra dressing gown (nice), then she wiggles about a bit. Aren't you all getting a bit hot under the collar about,er, nothin?

Or was CA's show truly shockin?

notjustapotforsoup · 11/12/2010 23:33

HB, you articulate what I am to drunk to say.

Watch Bucks Fizz, ffs. Those of you old enough to remember the furore about it, see how tame it is.

And yes. Think about the message that it is giving to your kids. Do you not give a fuck or something?

walkinginaWUKTERwonderland · 11/12/2010 23:33

Has anyone read the report yet?

midsmom · 11/12/2010 23:33

im not arguing either way but wouldnt most of you let your childen watch strictly come dancing? Do the women on there not wear very very revealing outfits and gyrate?

Oh and dermot did clearly say she was promoting a film BURLESQUE before she came on which was maybe a clue to the performance.

And finally i think dermot is very very very hot so that comment about the female presenters needing to be sexy is crap.

HerBeatitude · 11/12/2010 23:34

Christ will people who keep insisting that a political objection ot the objectification of women is prudery, please read the thread?

Because then we won't keep having to explain why prudery and an objection to the dehumanisation of women, are not the same thing.

Thank you.

southeastastra · 11/12/2010 23:34

blimey sounds so crap, so glad i don't watch this shite

sorky · 11/12/2010 23:35

No one is forcing anyone to watch it, but likewise when I turned it on tonight I didn't expect to see a close-up of someone's arse in a skimpy thong, whilst she simulated a sexual position (in the name of dance) wearing stockings/suspenders!

Christina dancers looked like they were auditioning for NUTS fgs

oneortwo · 11/12/2010 23:35

"I think my point is, parents also have some responisbilty as well as ITV, on deciding what is appropriote for their kids to watch. "

people DID take responsiblity and CHOSE x factor pre 9 because they did not expect to see what was on tonight

I expect there were kids watching x factor tonight that are not allowed to watch the music vid channels

There was no warning.

and re the soaps, I agree that they ALSO sometimes show things that should not be on pre 9pm, BUT AGAIN just because there are worse offenders does not make this okay!

LeninGrad · 11/12/2010 23:36

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MsSparkle · 11/12/2010 23:36

"There are adult channels that Rhianna and Xtina can gyrate away to their hearts content on. Then I don't have to watch it when I'm sitting in my living room at 8.40pm at night."

But surely you don't have to watch that either? No one forces anyone to sit down and watch a performance thay don't like/are not comfortable with?

catsinthejinglebelfry · 11/12/2010 23:37

HErbeatitude

did you really feel mebarrsed and ashamed by Hot Gossip? No wonder you can't cope with this stuff. Really, what is going to happen!

Nickiename · 11/12/2010 23:37

It is utterly dismal when women do the whole 'if you don't like porn you are a prude' schtick. I normally shy away from terms like 'the patriarchy' but my god, we women internalise hatred of ourselves like no other group.

MollieO · 11/12/2010 23:37

According to ITV the X factor target audience is 'Female, Young' here

oneortwo · 11/12/2010 23:37

"Oh and dermot did clearly say she was promoting a film BURLESQUE before she came on which was maybe a clue to the performance"

n, I expected burlesque STYLE (i.e. vintage) watered down for pre watershed actually

it was NOT as described / implied

walkinginaWUKTERwonderland · 11/12/2010 23:38

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

Why are people so resistant to the view that maybe it's not as harmless as all that? What's in it for them?

Nickiename · 11/12/2010 23:39

What's going to happen?
Read the report done for the Guiding association about the way girls hate their bodies.
Read the appalling statistics on conviction for rape.
Read the surveys which show how many boys think hitting girls/women is OK

Because that is what is happening.