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Not to want friends involving my 9 yr olds in our disagreement

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Solo2 · 23/11/2010 10:43

A nasty blow-up is taking place between me and some friends about the fact that my twin 9 yr old sons no longer want to go to theirs to stay overnight - and nor do I want them to stay. They've stayed about twice a year over the last 2 to 3 yrs.

I had tried to do all this without a big show-down by both saying the twins were busy with other things and then, when the friends pushed for a better explanation - that perhaps my sons had outgrown the novelty of staying with this couple, although still enjoyed seeing them.

There have now been several phone messages left by the friends who are 'up in arms' about the situation and who are demanding to talk directtly to my little boys about why they don't want to stay with them anymore.

To me this doesn't feel appropriate. I feel it'd be best for me, as the adult, to sort it out with the other adults and then only at the end perhaps have the children saying their bit. In fact the issues about the friends enforcing their own rules and ideas on my sons without first checking with me that this is OK is right at the centre of me not wanting my sons to stay overnight with them.

I previously posted on here some time ago about these same friends giving alcohol to my sons without my permission and also cups of tea (which they'd also never had), which made one of them vomit copiously. They've driven the children around after they, the adults, have been drinking (alcohol), let one DS stay all day in vomit soaked clothing whilst taking him out and about. They've let them go to the local shops on their own, in the busy city where they live, when my sons have never yet been allowed to cross roads etc independently in a similarly busy city. I feel I should be the one to do these things first with my DCs - not the friends - and do it in my time and in my way, as they're MY children!

The issue for me is not so much that they let or encourage the DCs to do things that I wouldn't but more that they've not discussed anything first with me and checked I'm OK with this. Perhaps worst of all is that they've continued to take a 'parental' role with my DCs even whilst I've been there, in direct opposition to what I've been saying.

One eg is them making DS1 eat everything on his plate, when he was too full to do so and saying if he didn't, he'd have to pay them money. They insisted that he was resisting for psychological reasons. When I intervened and said to DS, as I always do, "only eat what your body tells you you want/ need", the friends became enraged and I ended up paying Ds's 'fine' just to stop the whole horrible situation.

These friends are very controlling but have also been v supportive to me as a single mum. I've continued to let the DCs stay with them as I believed my DSs wanted to go, despite some of my own misgivings but the last 2 times, DCs haven't wanted to stay at all and I've then felt bad about making them go, in order not to upset/ anger the friends. Now I know DCs don't want to go to stay, I don't want to make them.

The friends concerned are an elderly lady of 78 - but who acts more as if she's in her early 60's and her much younger husband in his fifties. She's had children of her own yrs ago but he never has and I've sort of let them off the hook for the way they are because of this. But now the more I think about it, the more it feels as if they want parental control of my DCs (there are LOTS of other incidents exemplifying this) but in a way that is obviously detrimental to my sons.

Is 9 yrs old (one has Asperger's traits BTW) too young to become involved with the current dispute or should I let DCs tell the friends what they really think? The friends are highly likely to express their anger and upset v freely and be emotionally manipulative and try to get DCs to say what they want them to say.

OP posts:
titchy · 23/11/2010 10:48

Do NOT let dcs tell them. They're way too young for that responsibilty. Cut them off completely. Write them a letter if you feel the need to explain, but cut them off completely.

titchy · 23/11/2010 10:48

Cut the friends off that is, not the dcs! Grin

kreecherlivesupstairs · 23/11/2010 10:49

What an essay. I did pick out that your DSs don't want to stay so that would be it for me.
YANBU by the way to not want your DC to be driven around by people who have been drinking.
I would be furious if I found that out. I do occasionally have a glass of wine then drive, but never when DD is with me. DH is expendable.

StayFrosty · 23/11/2010 10:50

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cheekyseamonkey · 23/11/2010 10:51

YANBU - I'd worry about why they are so adamant that they should stay. Cut them off.

Kreecher - DH is expendable - lol! That appears to be our consideration when inbibing and driving!

ttalloo · 23/11/2010 10:53

It would be absolutely inappropriate to involve your DC in this dispute with your friends, who don't sound very friendly to me. You don't say why your DC don't want to stay over, but I was surprised when reading your post that they were staying over with people who don't have children of the same age.

And I appreciate that as a single mum you need support and are grateful when you find it, but it sounds to me as if these people are trying to take over your family and undermine your role in it. Why would you want your DC to be around 'emotionally manipulative' people who are 'highly likely to express their anger'? And who drive them around when they've been drinking, don't change their clothes when they've got vomit on them, or let them cross busy roads by themselves?

You need to ditch this couple - no matter how good they have been to you in the past, they've done enough, judging by your post, to make any reasonable person think that they are not fit to be in charge of children.

Littlepurpleprincess · 23/11/2010 10:53

Nice Kreecher. What if you hit someone elses child? Or are they expendable too?

Emjxxx · 23/11/2010 10:53

Sorry might not be what you want to hear, but, why the hell are you friends with people like this? You seriously think that these people are good role models for your children. I get the creeps about these two people just reading what you have said about them. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near them yet alone let me children spend time alone with them!

Seriously you need to break this friendship off all round for your own well being as well as your childrens

CocoPopsAddict · 23/11/2010 10:53

They sound a bit creepy, to be honest. Why would they insist on children staying with them when they obviously don't want to?

You are going to have to become really busy, all of a sudden. Too busy to take their phone calls.

diddl · 23/11/2010 10:55

"A nasty blow-up is taking place between me and some friends about the fact that my twin 9 yr old sons no longer want to go to theirs to stay overnight - and nor do I want them to stay."

There´s really no need to read any more than that, is ther?

The children don´t want to stay, you don´t want them to & that´s that.

You tell the "friends" that they don´t want to.

No more is needed.

If they want to speak to the boys because they think that you are lying, then that says what they think of you, doen´t it?

Your children aren´t there for other people´s amusement.

I´m amazed you bother with them, they sound awful.

Hullygully · 23/11/2010 10:56

Time to say a cheery toodle-oo.

BendyBob · 23/11/2010 10:57

Good lord they sound awful and not friends at all sorrySad

I wouldn't be letting them get anywhere near dc to badger them.

They sound as though they now expect to be able to walk all over you and your dts and call the shots. Why on earth do they feel thay have or want to have that much control over you and your children?

I would politely tell them no and why. Why not have the show down with them? Sometimes it can be a good thing. You have nothing to fear and everything to gain. Ie they might back off big time.

DioneTheDiabolist · 23/11/2010 10:57

They are not supportive, they are controlling and it sounds as though they are using your DCs to live out some sort of "family" fantasy. Your DCs are not their children.

They have given your children booze. They have driven your children while drunk. They are undermining your parental authority and your children do not want to go to them.

It is your job to protect your children. Do so. Do not allow your children to go to them. Do not allow them to talk to your children. Cut them out of your life.

kreecherlivesupstairs · 23/11/2010 10:58

Totally off topic. littlepurpleprincess it was a joke.

Vallhala · 23/11/2010 11:02

Caller display is a great invention.

Wink

It sounds like there are 3 choices - politely explain, which I would be way beyond doing in your shoes (bar the giving the DC tea, which I think is odd to complain about!), tell them where to go in no uncertain terms, which I'd be mighty tempted to do if I were you, or rely on caller display to get the message over.

beijingaling · 23/11/2010 11:03

DO NOT GET YOUR KIDS INVOLVED IN THIS.

Just tell your friends exactly why you don't want the kids staying at your house and then ignore all calls.

Just because they've been supportive in the past doesn't give them the right to behave like morons.

Littlepurpleprincess · 23/11/2010 11:03

OK. It wasn't funny.

taintedpaint · 23/11/2010 11:10

Bloody hell. I'm surprised you've put up with it this long. This isn't support, it's control. Sorry, but I think you should've pulled your sons out of this before now and you are certainly not doing the wrong thing pulling them out now.

These are not friends you need.

Why have you tried to maintain a relationship with them thus far?

JamieLeeCurtis · 23/11/2010 11:15

Go with your instincts, as you should have done the last 2 times when the DCs didn't want to go

brass · 23/11/2010 11:16

Everything you've described is weird and inappropriate.

How are you still calling them your friends?

Do not accept anymore help from these people single mum or not. Your children are not something to bargained with. I would be assuring my DC that they never have to see these people again!

Where is your judgement in all this?

ShirleyKnot · 23/11/2010 11:18

uh.

Not only would I not be letting my children stay there ever ever again but I would also be telling them exactly why that was, and also that I certainly didn't want to remain in contact with them.

I appreciate that can be hard to do (I'm shit at confrontation) but FUCK ME! They could have killed your children in a drunken car accident. Your children should not be drinking alcohol at 9, what is one of them had a terrible reaction to it? They left your child in vomit soaked clothes Sad

Sorry, but it all sounds like an abusive relationship all round TBH.

Dump them.

EldritchCleavage · 23/11/2010 11:21

I found your OP deeply worrying. Time for a friendship audit, by which I mean, thinking about how you came to be friends with such horrid people and why you continued to let them have access to your children when their behaviour was so clearly inappropriate. Whatever support they've given you has come at much too high a price. I am not being dramatic when I say that I would never see or speak to them again.

rodformyownback · 23/11/2010 11:23

FFS. These people are nutters. Run for the hills, have nothing more to do with them and protect your children from them.

brass · 23/11/2010 11:23

What kind of help have you had from them exactly?

Are you scared of them?

Hullygully · 23/11/2010 11:23
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