BNP on facebook......should be responsible for the photos on their page

[TheFeministParent]

Friend of mine on FB has requested that I report the BNP's facebook page for the most vile language and content. Which I have, I implore everyone to do the same. The photos are disgusting, pictures of dead or dying Africans/Afro-Caribbeans with captions like Funny looking N*er underneath.

It's shocking, you may be able to report it without looking at the photos.

Just to put people in the picture of where I stand, I hate the BNP but think that many of their supporters do not consider themselves hate filled racists, even though some are Daily Mail supposed palatable racists and xenophobes. I think many supporters are victims of terrible tabloid newstories and believe the scapegoating, much like reasonable people who followed various dictators that carried out genocide throughout the globe. I am not arguing for one minute that the BNP definitely didn't know about the group or did, for that matter, but I made it clear in my email that their refusal to act would be an indication of support and so they emailed to say they had reported it. I am in no doubt that the 'likes' on this page are both from people, like me, who wish to criticise the group and people who support the BNP. The BNP supporters on this page or vile and disgusting racists.
I understand the fear of many BNP supporters regarding the erosion of British society when it comes to groups that apparently have little regard for Britain and the British, particarly Muslims....but this is based on fear and not fact, but if enough propaganda is pedalled then people will believe some of it at least. There are many column inches devoted to stories about Christians not allowed to wear crosses and flags not being hung and groups like the BNP are guilty of making these stories huge. Of course Muslim groups do no favours to themselves by never grabbing positive column inches....it would have been nice to have seen more made of Muslims respecting rememberance, a trick sadly missed.

Oh lord I feel ill there are really people out there like that aren't there?

'Of course Muslim groups do no favours to themselves by never grabbing positive column inches....it would have been nice to have seen more made of Muslims respecting rememberance, a trick sadly missed.'

I don't really understand this? I'm sure there are positive things going on in the muslim community - can you really blame them if say, the media in whatever form have no interest in showing or highlighting it. Good stuff doesn't sell as well as the bad stuff.

Muslims and other ethnic minorities being respectful hardly grabs column inches

bad news and horror makes the headlines

"Nope, not nonsense. Neither of us knows whether they knew about it or not.

My position is that they did, were happy to let it go on (probably to keep their official site pure and unsullied).
Conjecture, sure. But we're not talking about rational human beings here."

But it is without any evidence and is an illogical position to hold. Earlier on you set out a position, that their silence spoke volumes and then as soon as that was disproved you changed your position to - their silence and or action is irrelevant.they knew about it and supported it.
And asking someone to prove a negative is a nonsense. If you are accusing someone of something you have to prove they did it, not the other way around. Now I know that is not a court of law but surely for the debate to have any sense of logic or structure we have to have some standard of proof, so even if we lower it to the civil standard of "the balance of probabilities" you have proved nothing. There has not been one shred of evidence presented on your side that they supported it or even knew anything about it.
Not one.
Where as for the argument against one could point to their prompt action upon the first known report to them.
Would you accept your line of argument in any other logical debate? Well there's no evidence and even though the points I made earlier and positions I took on the matter have been dealt with I'm sticking by my assertions with no evidence because I reckon/I want to believe that's what happened?
Why is your position now that they did when earlier on it was "I don't care whether they did or they didn't?"
Why now is their action irrelevant and earlier on their silence was proof of support?

So from your position I am going to say prove to me that you didn't know about this and silently support this a week ago?
If you can't then I will assume you knew about it and let it happen.

Can you not see how illogical that argument is? and how it is an impossible one to prove?
How it could be used to justify anything?
would you accept a BNP members using it about Muslims? i.e. prove to me that Muslims are not secretly plotting to enforce Sharia law. if you don't I will assume they are.

TFP I think it was missed more by the Press than Muslims tbh here

I have a facebook friend who is amrried to my oldest friend; ex soldier, ds4's Godfather etc. Has started posting racist, anti Islam comments on FB. gets many thumbs up from his mates. I have talked to him, showed him links, met his comments about 'those effers didn;t die for the safety of the world in WW2 did they?' with stats about Indian Muslim deaths in WW2....

He met my responses with a call to arms to join BNP and EDL.

he could educate himself, he makes a blanket refusal to do so.

If I delete him from FB my best and oldeast mate will cut contact in a huff (she did the same to someone else) and that would be awful- I just hide his posts now but have lost all respect for the man.

Fortunately the BNP are about to be kicked to the kerb in the law courts, and officially abolished as a credible political party.
I for one will be singing and dancing the day that happens, as I'd rather be hanging out with my moderate Muslim mates than entertain one more conversation with the idiotic thuggery of the BNP supporters.

SMA - does your friend hold these same views then? It's unusual to have a couple with such opposing views on such basic and important things. Sounds like she might support his views if she can't see what you find offensive about his rants.

Yes, you're probably right it was sadly missed by the press.

Begonya she has never expressed these views to me. I know she didn;t vote BNP but he did.

If she did the friendship would have to end; she knows that, and might well be keeping quiet but I won;t sump her for views she MIGHT hold; her DH being an arse is no new shock anyway (had to put her up many years ago when he thumped when she was PG with their first).

I think you'll notice that I've condemned the BNP in pretty much all of my posts.
Sorry I don't remember our other clash, and it's honestly not a matter of wanting to win/beat you or vindicate the BNP.
I loathe the BNP, but I do honestly believe what I've been saying throughoput.
When you attack them on issues which they have nothing to do with or on ones which they are in the right then you weaken the arguments on valid issues. It gives them validation and seige mentality.
As another poster said earlier on (the island lady I think) if it had not been pointed out that the page was a rogue one with nothing to do with the BNP and this had, for example, made it into the papers it would have only strengthened the BNP's resolve and that of their supporters. i.e. big story BNP are racist.
Then the truth comes out that it had nothing to do with them and they condemned it as soon as they found out.
Then they play the victim card among their supporters and use it of evidence of the liberal agenda against "honest decent Brits" and part of a smear campaign from the mainstream parties.
It would play straight into their hands.
So nail them on the millions of things they actually do wrong by all means, but it really hurts the arguments of those who oppose the BNP (I include myself in this) when you try to slam them over something which is made up/nothing to do with them.

He sounds a charmer and sure will be welcomed by the BNP. Sounds like you have been a good friend to her and she probably needs it.

Exactly it won't take long.
And it's not a matter of getting myself tied up in the semantics of your posts. Constant contradictions and logical fallacy aren't semantics, they're the foundation of any rational debate.

Absolutely disgusting. I hate the BNP. I'm glad that so many of you have reported the photos...hopefully it'll make a difference. Facebook has so much to answer for.

G40; what do your Muslim mates think about homosexuality? Are you aware that Muslim parents complain about homosexuality being 'promoted' in schools. Are you aware that in a Muslim country your sexual preferences wouldn't be tolerated?
And as you've wished me dead on a previous occasion - I'd say you're about as capable of reasoned debate as Robert Mugabe.

DP as ever misses the SOME word from her posts

SOME Muslim parents

Here where I am, SOME Christian parents as well; the Evangelical ones mostly.

I complain there isn;t enough accceptance of homosexuality in our school; a couple aprents agree with me, that makes us SOME parents too.

SOME is just expressing one's own views, it doesn't include everyone in the group. My stance on homosexuality / BNP etc cannort be attributed to every otehr white amrried aprent 9somewhat sadly though I would say that ) becuase I happen to fit that grouping.