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to think that my oh is being an idiot over my friends wedding?

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doublechocchip · 30/10/2010 22:00

Just after some opinions really, it started when one of my best mates invited me and not oh to her wedding earlier in the year. There was 8 of us who were all from uni going and to make it fair she invited nobodys partners even though some of the girls were engaged and me and oh have children.

Well oh took major offence at this and now will only slag her off all the time, doesnt want her in the house, and it causes a lot of arguments as we just cant see each others point of view! He has only met her a couple of times so it wasnt like they were close either!

Its all just so infuriating because although I wouldnt have done it, it was HER wedding day and therefore can do what she wants and invite who she wants and more importantly who they could afford to. He feels like I chose her over him?? I see her only about twice a year as she lives so far away and it was a lovely break away with all my uni friends.

The thing is he would have hated going anyway as if she had invited all the partners they would have had to have made small talk, he doesnt drink and would have been bored but he doesnt acknowledge any of this he just thinks she doesnt take our relationship seriosly which is rubbish - they just couldnt afford everybody! She invited all the partners to the evening do but as it was far away obv none of them came.

What do you all think? Who is being unreasonable? Should I not have gone to the wedding in principle and 'chose' him over her?

OP posts:
doublechocchip · 01/11/2010 11:05

sozzledchops- ah you make a good point!
serendippy- no i dont think he will let this go :( we go a while without talking about it then it all comes back out again!

I have said that I dont expect him to go to the christening and that if he doesnt want the children to go then thats fine as well. (Trying to meet him halfway and all that!)

I get that he can be offended but its that he's carrying this grudge on for so long and feels so angry about it I cant understand.

OP posts:
JenaiMwahHaHaHaaaaah · 01/11/2010 11:05

Sheesh. If DP had been invited and I hadn't, I'd feel disappointed (I love weddings, me) but not snubbed! How bizarre.

YANBU, OP. Even if he finds not being insulted an insult he really ought to have let it go by now.

Will you be getting married at some point? I wonder how he'd feel if he had to exclude some of his friends so that you could invite other friends' OHs?

sozzledchops · 01/11/2010 11:05

we didn't really get the wedding we wanted but were happy to opt for a local cheaper venue/meal anyway as TBH most of our guests felt more at home in a less posh venue and didn't have to spend so much on drinks and transport. I didn't know half the people there but was glad it was a chance for everyone (friends and family) to get together, sometimes the only occasion to keep these ties going is at functions like weddings/funerals etc.

ChaoticAngel · 01/11/2010 11:58

Who says people invite less people just so they can spend more on a, b & c. Some people may spend the least they can on a, b & c and still might be only able to afford to invite x number of people.

All those who expect your dh/ps to be invited would you be okay with not being invited because the couple could only afford to invite say 10 people and chose to invite 5 people and their dh/p/ws or would you expect to be invited, along with your dh/p/w, and for someone else not to be invited.

ToxicKitten · 01/11/2010 12:10

Hello lurker and newbie here :)

This thread mad me think about my male best friends wedding - I have known him since we were 17 so over 20 years, and though we were very close indeed in our late teens and into our early 20s we moved on with our lives quite dramatically after that.

He was a witness at our wedding (before his own) and I know that if ever I needed his help he would do whatever he could for both me and my DH.

His wife is lovely - but as they live in London and are in a totally different social circle etc, I didn't get to know her as well as would have been nice before she became his wife IYSWIM.

Anyway, point of the post is to say that my DH and I were not invited to the church part of their wedding at all, which did make me a little Shock for a couple of minutes especially as I knew other friends from the time we were especially close friends were there - but they had maintained a much closer regular contact with each other and so were part of the family / friends bunch who would know each other in a more immediate fashion.

We went to the Evening Reception, and at the end of the night were out in Bristol town centre buying kebabs with the bride still in her frock and really letting her hair down with us and a few others - we had a great time - it was relaxed, pure fun, and an escape from the formality of the day, and I think they kind of needed that as well as the rest of the occasion!

I am a bit hypersensitive myself - always worried about what other people will think of me and wondering if the things they do in relation to me are because they don't like me - but then I reverse the process - my Mum has told me to do this - I analyse why I make decisions and it's rarely a personal thing, it's to do with practicalities, organisation etc. I try to think to myself that although I am a valuable human being (mostly) I'm not the centre of everybody's universe, and if I held onto every perceived slight I'd be a bitter and wizened old prune!

So in answer to the OP, I understand that your DP feels slighted, but he's got to try and see the bigger picture and certainly not take it out on you, life is too damn short!!

Can you not think of an example where someone feels slighted by his actions when he didn't intend them to? He would think they were being unreasonable because of lack of intent surely? You and your friend are not responsible for his feelings unless you have deliberately tried to make him feel that way IMO!

Blondeshavemorefun · 01/11/2010 12:44

generally its nice for your oh to be invited

tho understand why your friend didnt, she didnt exclude only your dh, but all partners (tho does seem bit silly inviting them to the eve do, if miles away)

tbh my dh would have been thrilled not to go to one of my friends wedding that he didnt really know and make polite chat to a bunch of boring strangers Grin

i would have gone in your shoes and spent time with old uni friends, its one day, possibly a night away and told dh to put a sock in it

NestaFiesta · 01/11/2010 13:32

Toxic Kitten- what a brillaint post! I too often see a slight where none is meant and its really taken over my life. Your Mum's advice is excellent.

As for OP- I can't help thinking that its wrong to expect someone to attend a wedding without their spouse or long term partner. Its different if you've only been dating a few months, but I wouldn't like it if DH went to a wedding I was not invited to. Whatever people's budget, it doesn't come across well. I was excluded from my cousin's wedding because of budget and yet all the briode's cousins were allowed to attend. This still smarts a bit five years later! (I don't go on about it though, just giving an example)

However, your DH, OP, is like a dog with a bone and probably won't shut up until you tell him he is right. Don't do this, but as others have said, he needs to MOVE ON!

ToxicKitten · 01/11/2010 13:47

Thanks Nesta :)

And I agree the most important thing here is the moving on.....I've just had the kind of weekend that has really emphasised that!!

JenaiMarrHePlaysGuitar · 01/11/2010 14:33

Maybe if your cousin hadn't invited all their friends' OHs they'd have had space to invite you though, Nesta Wink

spidookly · 01/11/2010 14:36

One of your "best friends in the whole world" didn't want your long-term partner and the father of your children at her wedding?

You really need to get better friends.

I'm not sure you can really expect your DP to ever drop this.

Why should he?

The woman in question has made clear how unimportant her is to her despite her supposedly close friendship with you.

What she did was really, really, really rude.

But apparently you are fine with him being treated rudely as long as you're OK.

Maybe he should think about dropping you, since you care so little for his feelings.

Also, it's a bit sad to be so desperate to be friends with someone who clearly doesn't rate you that highly.

You have to be pretty low down the list to have your partner excluded.

Clearly she had no intention of ever having any kind of friendly relationship with him if she couldn't be arsed inviting him to her wedding.

spidookly · 01/11/2010 14:40

"You and your friend are not responsible for his feelings unless you have deliberately tried to make him feel that way IMO!"

What a complete load of bollocks.

So you can be rude to someone, but because you didn't do it specifically to piss them off they have to be OK with that?

If I call someone a cunt because they are in my way, but if I only do it so they will get out of my way, and not specifically to offend them, then is it their fault if they are offended by my rudeness?

Because that's pretty much what you're arguing.

Inviting one half of a committed couple to a wedding is rude. To treat someone rudely and then blame them for the offence you have caused is ill-mannered indeed.

QuintessentialShadows · 01/11/2010 14:43

Having been thinking about this, I think what your dh has picked up on, and why he keeps mentioning it, is that to outsiders, you have really been put in your place. And the worst part is, you don't even realize.

To everybody else, it is clear that the bride did not look upon you as a very close friend. You are in the bottom drawer with old UNI friends. Those friends which are a part of the past, friends whose lives you don't take with you to the present. Because if the friendship really was in the present, the bride WOULD have invited your dh, she WOULD have acknowledge him in YOUR and HER life. But she didn't.

And it must be really galling for him, that you don't see this, but keep talking about her as a "bessie mate". Maybe you were, but you are not any more.

KiwiKat · 01/11/2010 14:47

19 years ago, due to budget, we had to choose who could come to the dinner part of our wedding, and who would come to the dance. (We made all our own dresses, did our own flowers, catered ourselves, brilliant do, but the budget was really tight) I still feel miffed that several of my good friends bullied me into allowing them to bring dates/boyfriends to the dinner, meaning that other friends got pushed out to the dance. Years later I'm still friends (to various degrees) with most people who came to the dinner AND the dance, but those dates/boyfriends disappeared before the ink on the register was dry. I'm not belittling the OP's relationship with her OH, but I'm sure the friend had genuine reasons for inviting some people and not others, rather than just being an insensitive, selfish bitch.

The OP's OH is being precious, and needs to get over it. Sulking is unattractive, particularly in an adult.

JenaiMarrHePlaysGuitar · 01/11/2010 14:54

Good lord.

I have friends that I'd regard as being very good friends, from years ago. People I am very, very fond of as they are of me. Our lives have taken different courses and we barely ever talk, let alone see each other. Yet we are still important to each other and when we meet up are able to pick up where we left off.

We don't know each others partners, and that's fine. We wouldn't consider each other to be "bottom drawer" Hmm

Serendippy · 01/11/2010 15:10

This seems to be dividing posters into two camps, the ones who think it is fine, actually desireable to be seen as an individual with other friends and independent social lives, and the ones who see themselves and their partners as a unit who should be considered as a whole and anything else is devaluing their partnership. You seem to fall into the first camp (like me Grin ) and your DH the other. The posters who have said that your DP should never forgive you or your friend clearly are only friends with people who invited them and their partners to weddings, not everyone has the money or space to do that. Some people actually want to be surrounded by people they love on their wedding day, not strangers, and want to give people the opportunity to catch up with old friends without babysitting their partners who don't know anyone.

However, what's done is done. The question now is; can your DP put this behind him or is he going to hold you to ransom every time you want to see this friend. Time to nip this in the bud, tell him it happened, it is over and that in the future you will discuss issues as they arrive and agree a plan before making a decision on attending.

Don't ever let him dictate where you go and who you go with, though.

Hullygully · 01/11/2010 15:19

It is quite simply tragic.

doublechocchip · 01/11/2010 16:00

serendippy I like your advice and will say to him i will discuss future invites before attending, think he will appreciate that.

spidookly- wow dont hold back! Are u my oh in disguise lol? At least i know its not only my oh who thinks like that. As far as our friendship goes she had 2 friends from school whose oh's were invited and they were her bridesmaids- all the others- us from uni, work mates, others from school were all partnerless.
I get that he was offended, and to be quite honest I did expect that he would be invited but if she could only afford for so many people to go- do you think she should only invite half of her friends and their partners therefore upsetting her other friends or all her friends and no partners therefore upsetting her friends partners its almost a no-win situation.

Its ironic actually because I wouldnt have done the same, I would have invited her and her oh together if we ever were to get married so i do understand where oh is coming from I think I jumped straight to being outraged that he though I should choose between them ('controlling' alarm bells were ringing).

OP posts:
Serendippy · 01/11/2010 16:09

Hopefully he doesn't actually mean for you to choose, he is just smarting from what he sees as a 'snub', it is an event he will forget about in time. Hope it all works out.

ToxicKitten · 01/11/2010 16:20

*"You and your friend are not responsible for his feelings unless you have deliberately tried to make him feel that way IMO!"

What a complete load of bollocks.

So you can be rude to someone, but because you didn't do it specifically to piss them off they have to be OK with that?

If I call someone a cunt because they are in my way, but if I only do it so they will get out of my way, and not specifically to offend them, then is it their fault if they are offended by my rudeness?

Because that's pretty much what you're arguing.

Inviting one half of a committed couple to a wedding is rude. To treat someone rudely and then blame them for the offence you have caused is ill-mannered indeed.*

Hmm

Okay, what I perceive myself to be arguing for here is a bit of perspective.

The OPs DH was invited to the evening part of the wedding, so not completely excluded.

The decision was made due to the distance involved that he would not join in. He did have that opportunity. A choice was made.

There is an implication here that all the DHs and partners here have been snubbed, and also that the bride thinks very little of her friends for putting them all in this position. Is this really likely, or was her decision making down to practical considerations? Should a wedding be all about the guests or the bride and groom having the day they want? There are many many factors at play and my DH (to whom I am mostly, rightly or wrongly, joined at the hip)has said that nothing is ever simple or cut and dried..... ie you can never please all of the people all of the time.

In the OPs position I would want her DH to see that the important thing here is THEIR current and ongoing relationship. If this event means that he is unhappy with deeper issues in their relationship, he's got to talk to her about that. Blaming the friend won't improve things, and undermining the friendship is really unproductive.

As to the issue of the apparent rudeness at play in the situation - it does entirely depend on the individuals perspective. I don't quite get the name-calling analogy, as in any situation that would be deliberate rudeness and designed to cause offence no matter what the desired outcome or motivation - this is a much more complex issue where as far as I can read it, none was intended. Therefore a feeling has been invoked, and feelings are about how we process situations from an emotional standpoint, and feelings are sometimes irrational and nothing to do with the event that may provoke them.

Should all the ladies invited to this wedding in a similar situation have declined the invitation out of "respect" for their husband's feelings, and would the husbands do the same in a similar situation? We don't know, but we do know that that Doublechocchip's OH is using this event to make her feel repeatedly uncomfortable and get in the way of a longstanding relationship. I find that sad and wish they could resolve it because stress in relationships is insidious and can suddenly cause massive problems because many little things build up.

This has happened, it cannot be changed, all that can be changed is one's perspective and how one deals with future events to avoid similar. If the OPs relationship is basically sound and this is a blip then why won't he let it lie when he loves her and therefore would want her to be happy? The fact that she is worrying about it means she loves him and wants a dialogue and to make things right, and it would be nice to think he'd be open to doing the same.

My position would be to acknowledge my DHs feelings, say that I was sorry he felt that way, and look at ways to avoid a repeat performance without completely denying my own wishes.Compromise is the word I think I'm looking for.....

NestaFiesta · 01/11/2010 16:25

JenaiMarr- (great name by the way). I don't really care about all the friends' OHs being invited instead of us as I feel that if you are a long established couple, you should both be invited to a wedding. What I objected to at that particular wedding was one rule for the bride and another for the groom. But that would be a whole other thread!

Its a slippery slope if inviting only half of a couple to a wedding starts to be an acceptable moneysaving trend.

What was the OP's OH supposed to do? Wait in the car until he was allowed in for the evening do? It is rude. If I turned up at a wedding without DH it would look as if I was single when DH is a huge part of me and my life.

JenaiMarrHePlaysGuitar · 01/11/2010 16:59

I dunno, Nesta.
Assuming it was near a town he could have gone shopping or something. Agree it's not ideal but there's usually a way.
This thread has been a real eye-opener!

birdynumnums · 01/11/2010 16:59

I find it really surprising that so many people would have a problem with this. One of my best friends recently got married at a small venue. They only had space for 30 people. She invited family and her six best friends. None of our partners or children were invited because she simply did not have room. If my partner was invited, she would have had to not invite one of her closest friends. They were invited to the reception so they did not feel snubbed at all. It was her special day and it was rightly all about her and her new husband, not pandering to friends and their partners.

I think your husband is being very unreasonable.

JenaiMarrHePlaysGuitar · 01/11/2010 17:13

Oh, your cousin's wedding. I bet the bride's parents were paying.

Friends of mine got married. Bride's parents paid. They called the shots. All of them. Even down to the dress. His family were seriously outnumbered, and both bride and groom's friends were massively outnumbered by the brides parents' friends.

3thumbedwitch · 01/11/2010 17:15

Double - since you say you do understand that your OH felt snubbed, and how it still rankles with him, do you think that you can find a way to move forward over this?

I don't think you should exactly apologise for going to the wedding, that would be a bit daft, but I do think you might need to apologise for not having taken on board how upset he was over it. Yes, it might seem a bit petty to be carrying on over it, but that might stem from him thinking that his feelings have not been acknowledged. If you can acknowledge to him that yes, your friend did snub him (along with all the other OHs) but not intentionally and that yes, you do see why he is upset/offended, he might find it easier to let it go.

I can see why he wouldn't want her in his house again though - she wouldn't extend the hand of hospitality to him, why should he do the same for her? (despite the evening invitation, which seems impractical at best)

One other thought - were there any DC at this wedding? It wasn't a ruse to keep DC away, was it? Making sure that one partner was at home looking after them so the other one could come to the wedding unencumbered, iswim.

3thumbedwitch · 01/11/2010 17:18

Jenai, that happened to a schoolfriend of mine. The bride (and groom?) were allowed to invite 6 friends only. The majority of the guests there were friends and business acquaintance of the father. He turned it into a corporate event. :(

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