I now know I'm right about little girls and the hijab.....

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talking to a beautiful Somali lady today(they all have hollywood smiles don't they, bloody genetic miracles!!) and she confirmed that whilst her 5 & 7 year old dds don't cover their heads she gets harassed and pressured by men at the mosque that her dds should cover. She said that whilst she doesn't because she loves her dds hair, other women do cover their very young dds. She said the men also say that unless they do it from very young they will not do it when they are the right age!

So it's not only about copying Mummy, just like the rise of the burka it's a renewed stick to beat women with.

no spikey, no. read what i said again.

i said plenty of muslims are from thsi country. not all muslims are english!! if you want to turn my words into something different to suit your own ends then do that. but don't make out that is what i said.

i did not think i had 'caught a bigot'. i picked up one line in your post.

Ditto. Not nice is it

"I'll explain one more time. I personally, use from this country to mean English. Well, you shouldn't! It's a bit daft. Take responsibility!

why are you being immature? this is an adult discussion forum.

So was my post insulting to Muslims then? Having read my subsequent posts, was it. Because many Muslims I know would be offended at being told they were from this country. Don't let that bother you though

it was insulting to muslims who do consider themselves to be from this country.

I tried to explain in an adult manner. You wouldn't take the explanation. How many Muslims do you know?

i know 3 muslim families, why is that relevant?

OK I'll be asking my Muslim friends, my in laws, my ex if they would be offended by that. Do you speak for Muslims?

no i don't speak for muslims, you know that, stop being silly now. the families i know all consider themselves to be from northern ireland.

OK. My ex FIL does NOT consider himself from this country. He is Turkish, from TURKEY. Is that OK with you?

"Public forum" just means there are hundreds of people reading you two bickering and wish you would leave it be...

what is your point? 1 muslim considers himself to be from turkey? are you saying that means all muslims do not consider themselves english?

You don't need to stick up for Muslims with me, is my point. Like I said, my sons have now chosen to follow Islam. You were wrong to think what you did, over one sentence.

You still don't get it. I said I consider from this country to mean English. That means your points are null and void. Why don't you get it?

maybe the sentence was wrong.

Anyway, only English Muslims are English. Other Muslims come from a variety of places. That's so obvious.

thank you spikey. you have jsut proven my point to be correct.

No, YOU are wrong.

You are dismissing the opinions of many Muslims by saying they want to be considered English. So your opinions on them are more valid than their own? Why?

I really don't think they'd want someone as dim as you speaking for them, TBH

did i say all muslims want to be considered english? i said, some muslims are english. and you have agreed with me by saying "only english muslims are english"

spikey there is no need to start insulting me. again, this is an adult forum. if you can't exprees yourself in an adult manner then don't post.

How bigoted you are. They are proud to come from Turkey, Pakistan, why do you think they are English?