To think that all Labour supporters must be a bit bloody thick?

[massivemammaries]

I don't understand it ........ Every one I have heard moans on about being worse off under the Coalition ... why do they all think the money to bail us out of Browns' catastrophic fuck up should come from somebody else? don't they get it? we all have to pay now.

And why oh why would anybody in their right mind want Labour in again after what they have done to our country??

I am at a loss

Ah colditz what a speech, what a great man.

I want taxes to go up for me and people as wealthy or more wealthy than me.

I could afford to pay more tax and would be happy to do so if I felt it would be used to help people who need it. I think that's what government is for.

I do not want to have to individually support every charity I care about separately and hope that others will do the same. I don't want to have to work out the best way of dealing with each problem - that's why I hire MPs

I don't hire them to tell me to get on with it and imply I'm lazy for not doing their job. And I certainly don't hire them to attack the vulnerable in society and make them feel that its their fault they are suffering.

Err... emmm... hmmm, I'm lost as to witless.. post

It doesn't need to be so quick and so brutal. Far a start they need to cut trident. Stop tax evasion. Yes, some cuts in the public sector over time. I don't think many are saying there shouldn't be any cuts, just that they don't need to be so savage as the rumoured 40%.

In the 80s Thatcher destroyed comminities, sold off council homes without replacing them, and people still went back for more punishment electon after election, so I don't think anyone can claim that any party supporter has the monopoly on being thick.

But you see, vast majority of Tory voters do think that the government is doing a stellar job; harsh decisions had to be made or Greece would have been sending us food aid in few years time.

Oh yes, because Cameron's scare-mongering is doing wonders for the confidence of the country and is surely the best way to dig it out of recession.

(my first ever).

do you not think that might be true?

FWIW, I don't think Labour voters are stupid. But I do think some of the labour comment on this thread is wrong. I wish people who disagreed with me could say so in a civilised manner instead of accusing me of all sorts.

Getting annoyed with the OP because she has been rude (although this is true) is breathtaking hypocrisy considering the attitude of many labour supporters on here to tory voters.

It IS possible to disagree and be civil you kinow.

Most tory voters will not be so badly effected, I suspect.

It's not stupid to look out for y our own interests.

I want to be able to feed and clothe my son. I want to be able to afford to run my car to get to work (rural public transport, joke). I want to pay off my loan and credit cards. I'd like to go to work in clean, smart clothes, not in rags. I want my DS to have a couple of extra curricular activities. I want to continue my OU studies so that one day I can earn a decent income for me and DS.

I don't have a land line phone, internet is through a dongle, I have it mainly to do my OU studies, which now is impossible without internet access. I don't go away on holiday. I very rarely get new clothes, and I can never find anything in my size in charity shops/via freecycle. DS needs new schoes every half term, I have no choice about that.

Some of us don't have the luxury of being able to cut back. If I lose income, I will have to make a choice. I, like many other people will have to go bankrupt and default on my debts, which will have a knock on effect. If I do keep my job, I might have to quit anyway if I can't run my car. There are few jobs round here, so I would probably end up stuck on benefits for some time, and not be hugely worse off. In fact I wouldbe better off in some ways. I would get free school dinners for DS, and free school trips, no chilcare costs, and I would get legal aid so I would be able to divorce.

Actually, on second thoughts, bring it on! Take my job.

salizchap it does need to be quick otherwise we will spend more on debt interest the longer we have the deficit and so in the long run the more we delay, the greater the cost will be in the long term.

MM as several posters have pointed out, this is a global recession that began with the collapse of the USA banking system under the auspices of the global socialist dictator, Gordon Brown.......no, wait a minute, sorry, that would be George W Bush, ultra right wing Republican.

You see, the Republicans - like your friends, the Tories - are the party of free enterprise, de-regulation, small government. That means they let the USA bankers engage, unchecked, in irresponsible fiscal activities like sub-prime lending, ie, lending to the poor, vulnerable and often ignorant to buy their shitty houses at rates they could never hope to repay. Great bundles of such loan agreements were sold on and sold on again by the US bankers into the global banking community, which is basically how a US problem became a global problem.

As for bankers' bonuses, if you have an employment contract that entitles you to certain benefits in exchange for a certain level of performance, then for the government to tell your employer to ignore your contract would, most probably, leave the government and the taxpayer vulnerable to legal claims for tortious interference with contract.

Perhaps, yes,with the benefit of hindsight, the Labour government should have put legislation in place years ago to prevent UK bankers engaging in risky business with foreign securities and to make it illegal for employment contracts to allow big bonuses under certain circumstances. I can imagine the cacophony that would have created on the opposition benches and the accusations that Labour were engaging in communism (by the way, the accusation right wing republicans aim at Obama when he tries to introduce pinko commie ideas like universal health care). Now, going back to the premise that the Tory Party is the party of small government and free enterprise, do you really think, had the Tories been in power, they would have had more of a reign over the activities of the UK bankers than the Labour Party?

bagofrefreshers the Labour Government started to run a deficit in 2003 because Gordon Brown believed that he had abolished the economic cycle so he thought that we could run a structural deficit even in good economic times. Although the recession enlarged the size of the deficit due to the Government trying to stimulate the economy, the dire state of the public finances is not solely down to the recession.

I used to vote lib dem but in the last election I voted labour because I really think they are the lesser of 2 evils and I didn't want a coalition government.

DC is out of touch with the working class, I hate what hes doing to the education system and I really fail to see how cutting jobs will save money. Surely less jobs = more people claiming benefits? I agree cuts have to be made but the extent of the cuts hes proposing when the economy is so fragile is going to lead us straight into a double dip. I really fear for the country during the next 5 years! When it all goes tits up DC will do what he does best - blame the previous government

Totally agree with massive.

But again, it's another pointless debate. No-one is going to change their mind because of what someone else posts in this thread.

The Labour supporters are convinced they are correct. We Tories know we are correct.

No amount of insulting each other is going to change this.

Btw I'm lmao at the fact that the coalition has barely been mentioned on here! I think the op's argument could be directed at those who voted lib dem - there is no coalition we have a tory government!

Labour made a lot of mistakes, there's no doubt about that. The Iraq War to name but one.

They were massively unpopular, weren't they. I mean, REALLY unpopular. Deservedly so some might say.

And yet, for all that the Conservatives didn't manage to get an overall majority.

Something to think about, perhaps?

I would guess however that the OP doesn't do much thinking.

YANBU
Let's just hope we can at least get up off our knees before they get back in.

"No amount of insulting each other is going to change this."

I agree bigfoot. You might therefore want to re-think your agreement with the OP who has insulted people who don't agree with her opinion.

rollmops what has confused you about witlesssarah's post?

janos - thanks for the advice, however, just in case I didn't make it clear in my above post, I do not want to get involved in a pointless war of words with Labour supporters - who may or may not be thick. Just as some Tories may or may not be thick.

But you're agreeing with the OP and you posted on her thread, bigfoot!

I agree though that posting insults is not a good starting point for a decent debate and just gets peoples backs up - as is obvious from this thread.

I guess that was the intention though.

I wouldn't go so far as to call all Labour supporters 'thick'... However, I would suggest that the reason GB didn't get so much support last time was not because of the global recession or overspending (which only really emerged during the election campaign) but because of New Labour's record at leaving 'ordinary working class' people at the bottom of the heap, despite assurances to the contrary and their love-in with those at the other end of the payscale. If I'd been a traditional Labour supporter in recent years I would have been very disappointed at how I seemed to have been paying tax only for it to go to all the wrong places.