to not understand the fuss over halal meat?

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1317312/Waitrose-forced-ditch-halal-lamb-Duchy-range.html

Why on earth are people objecting so much? Do they really think that the standard method of killing an animal is any less cruel?

Quite mad.

I eat halal cheese
does that count?

hate to see any animal slaughted

Chickens are Poultry, you can pop them at home.
Animals have to go to slaughter.

You can slaughter your own chickens in the usual manner. However to slaughter other animals you have to strictly comply with all the relevant regulations and you must not supply anyone else with the meat.

A simple explanation note of the HSA rules is here talking about 'On Farm' slaughter but which specifically excludes poultry.

I work in an abbatoir in Wales and clandestinely recite the reqisite hadith (very very quietly of course) at the moment of death.

Its all Halal, I'm afraid. All of it.

cumfy,

What do you mean its all Halal?

Slight clarification.

The HSA is the Humane Slaughter Association and what I linked is not their rules but a summary of the legal requirements imposed by law and failure to comply can result in prosecution under various Acts.

Frankly it is not worth the risk of doing it yourself though. The act of killing a large animal without proper training and without the proper equipment is almost certain to cause extreme cruelty.

yabu

I want the option.

Imo halal is less humane than when the animal is unconscious first.

Alouiseg has a point.

Obviously not all Muslims are torrorist (which she never claimed) however all terrorists and terrorist plots SEEM to be Muslims. Waits for examples of non muslim terrorists.

As for Halal, dont really care but I believe I have the right to know.

KFC (yeuuch) in Bolton use only Halal meat which is a form of discrimination who dont want it.

Here are (www.defra.gov.uk/foodfarm/farmanimal/welfare/slaughter/ Defra guidelines ))

Um...IRA? UnaBomber? Don't think they were Muslims....

All KFC's are halal now! so i don't eat there anymore, i don't want to eat that meat.

Nothing against anyone else i don't want it.

Puss, they are not currently a threat. I know that there have been some rumblings of IRA activity but they are not causing the present terror threat level.

Choos, you are correct that why I said seem.

The IRA were bastards at least they (mostly) gave warnings and seemed (mostly) to attack the Police and Military.

The difference with the Muslim version is the indiscriminate slaughter and the low value they give to Human life (including their own) must be all the virgins at the end.

newave - thats my hangover place

Geek, please accept my fulsome apologies :)

Lets start a campaign, "we want KFC crap but we dont want the Halal crap"

Sorry failed with the link!

Many moons ago I observed slaughter Halal & non-Halal in an abattoir. Since then I have tried not to eat Halal meat knowingly. My objection being the lack of stunning so I do find it wrong that meat isn't labelled as such.( I admit I was unaware that stunning can be allowed in some Halal slaughter & I would then have no problem with it.)

Cattle were placed in a special crate that was then turned upside down to allow the slaughterman to get good access to the neck for slaughter. This appeared to cause some distress to the cows before the knife cut, whereas the non-halal slaughtered cows were brought through & immediately stunned before slaughter with, what seemed to me at the time, less distress.

The Halal slaughter was however very quick, with an extremely sharp knife which was very carefully prepared beforehand but certainly in the case of the cows I felt there was more distress.

Ok i think people are really getting confused about this

The meat sold in the supermarkets, has had a prayer read as the animal is killed and has had the throat slit and blood drained. The animal will have been stunned prior to this.

There is halal meat available that has not been stunned, but this is by far the minority of halal meat. If as a muslim you wished to buy it you are limited to 2/3 butchers where there are 10/12 in a town. Supermarkets which stock pre packed halal meat in special sections only provide stunned halal meat.

Places like Ikea, KFC and apparently now waitrose buy halal meat, not to appease their muslim customers and do not market their products as halal and in the case of KFC the batter put on the chicken contains non halal (haram) ingrediants, but for market reasons.

If people are upset about the method of slaughter, as the animals are stunned there is minimal difference. If they are upset about the prayer, i think this is fairly foolish as when buying mass produced meat anything could have been said at the moment of death and if you don't believe in God, you cannot believe it will have an effect.

I dont have a problem with Hala, I have a problem with the pandering to Muslims and their culture

But it isnt pandering, the muslims dont eat the halal meat the is sold in supermarkets and not labelled halal. They eat the meat that is labelled halal.

The abbatoirs have chosen to make the meat halal so the can sell the posh cuts to waitrose and the cheap cuts to somewhere else marketed as halal, presumerably as they will either get a better price or to stop it being wasted.

Why can't they just eat meat and poultry slaughtered to uk welfare standards?

Why does it have to be bled first and prayed over?

Littleducks, that's not quite right. Please see the Waitrose quote above. The procedure is identical to any other UK slaughter procedure, except for a prayer.

Tipping a crate of cows upside down so that they bleed out before they die sounds unnecessary.

Before the Muslim community started flexing it's muscles in this country was there a problem with Halal, no. Do we have one now, yes.

Twenty years ago who had heard of Sharia law?, now (some of them) want to impose it in their area/community.

Twenty years ago did we have Muslim terrorists, do we now?

See any connection.