to take out my dc who has the pox?

[sleeplessinseatle]

Obviously not to playgroups etc, but I've got a baby at home and don't think I can cope otherwise. Is there anywhere we can safely go where there won't be lots of kids/pregnant women?

Lady - nobody met Dizzymare - she might have told you that but they didn't - nor did anyone meet Dizzy when she changed her name a couple of times. Whenever anyone suggested meeting up with her she said she couldn't!

This isn't a democracy. What did you think MNHQ should have done?

It frightens me that you could meet someone and it could mean nothing..

Could that really happen? Does it?

I suppose I can see that someone who wanted to write a book or something might fabricate something elaborate to gain access to the thoughts, feelings and experiences of people who have had this ultimate bereavement..

but surely not.

I wonder what the other guises were.. I feel sick and this has fuck all to do with me, but mainly because I know Avril and what this will have done to her and I am really, really worried now..

but still not wanting to believe..

Yes, of course they can.

Show us the evidence that they have that makes them think she was lying about Catherine.

Tell us the other guises that she was supposed to be shit stirring from.

Simples.

Sorry, am getting names mixed up. There was one troll that people met wasn't there?

MN don't call people trolls without very good reason.

So she's feisty, likes a good debate and enjoys a bit of controversy - not unlike many mumsnetters i think.

For the record, I actually heard about her child's death via a close friend who knew her through work contacts then we 'met' on the bereaved mums thread anonymously before meeting in person... There is no doubt in my mind she is who she says she is and her daughter died... see Shabs link to Catherine's obituary.

Sadly, I think after today's nonsense i doubt i'll be back to mumsnet unless I hear from MNHQ tonight.

Right so, my understanding is that she is a genuine bereaved mother MNHQ are not denying that who has, in addition to posting about her daughter, also been trolling.

Not really a surprise to learn that prolific trolls are often people with genuine tragedies in their history -- lots of assumed that might be the case with Dizzy, I recall.

If her trolling in other guises was really inflammatory and extreme, then I can understand the ban; MNHQ must have known it would be very controversial, and obv felt it had to be done despite that.

@PixieOnaLeaf

Justine - What were her other guises, then?

Seriously, it's important to know, because it might help us figure out whether she's just crying out because of Catherine, or whether the posting has a malicious intent.

The first incarnation was Washwithcare.

The nub of this from our point of view is that this poster had been banned several times and knew she had been banned, yet chose to come back here with a new name. Once we found out her identity this time we felt a duty of care to protect folk from the type of stuff that this person has a history of being involved with, particularly because this time she on the bereavement threads. Because of her history we didn't feel, as we might otherwise have done, a duty of care to her.

Arguably we might have gone about it in a different way but I hope you can see our thinking.

Dee, I don't think they are claiming her story about Catherine was untrue, so they won't have evidence of that.

Washwithcare -- god how peculiar.

IMO, from reading through & seeing Susans earlier posts as Sadsusan & the link above to the Scotman obituary, its highly unlikely that Susan was a fake, think the other bereaved parents should not feel duped. It would have to be an extremely elaborate hoax. Its a shame that Susan cant be allowed to continue posting, but would assume that MNHQ has applied rules & Susan is not exempt from them.

PPM - the big problem for us here is that if we dont use MN again we will have lost the friendships we have made on our (previously) safe haven thread. We will have to come up with an idea that keeps us all together. I, personally, wouldn't know where to express my feelings if we didn't have our thread. xxx

WWC??? Blimey

MNHQ I think it could have been handled differently - see the minute you shouted TROLL most people thought that Catherine didn't exist - without being over dramatic I have shed tears this afternoon.

@DirtyMartini

Dee, I don't think they are claiming her story about Catherine was untrue, so they won't have evidence of that.

No we are not - I think from the posts since we've banned her it seems likely (sadly) that her story was true. But when we banned her this time we did so thinking her story probably wasn't true because of her behaviour last night, her number of previous identities and past troll-like behaviour.

I'm afraid there was enough in the bank to make us seriously doubt her story. We can only apologise if we made a mistake wrt to that.

what was the washwithcare stuff about? i took a mn break for a wee while.

I don't know what happened with Washwithcare.

I see, Justine. Think you were sensible.

Easy for me to say though, as I'm not as affected by her as many others.

And MNHQ, in all fairness, if I found it with the details from the blog, so could you... before posting troll.

I am supposed to be going out to celebrate DH's birthday - dont know if I can be arsed with celebrations