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AIBU or was this abuse?

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SatanOnAScooter · 22/09/2010 23:02

Sorry, this will probably be long.

I cut all ties with my mother about 8 years ago. Someone recently asked why I hadn't made up with her, after all she is my mum - it was a good friend asking and she meant nothing by it, she's never met my mum and doesn't know the real reason behind why we don't have contact - but it got me wondering (again) if I am a horrible, selfish cow or if i am kind of justified in my decision.

The only feelings i really have for her (my mother) are hate and pity, sometimes guilt. sometimes i think those feelings alone should be enough for me to know something was wrong in our relationship, but I swing between wondering if my mother was abusive towards me, or if she was just a crap parent, if i expected too much, was too sensitive etc etc.

I could list literally thousands of examples but I'll just list a few that still sting. I would be really grateful to hear what other people think to give me a kind of objective view on it. I've always felt too ashamed to tell anyone what it was really like. Even my DH doesn't know.

My Dad would sometimes work away from home. She would close all the curtains, lock the doors, keep me off school, lock herself in my bedroom (as it had a tv) all day, in the evening she would move to the lounge and lock me in my room. If i showed any signs of being upset, she would punch and punch me like a lunatic until she literally had no energy left. I was about 8. I would only be for a few days at a time, it was weeks or anything but it fekt like a lifetime at the time. I would just eat biscuits or bread or cereal. Dad would come home and It would be like nothing had happened.

Night before my first GCSE exam, she suddenly, completely out of the blue, grabbed me by the throat and told me I had to leave. she started to throw all my belongings out of my bedroom onto the street (cue a crowd of local kids laughing, shouting etc). I eventually climbed back in through the bathroom window and revised all night in silence, had no dinner, or breakfast, climbed back out through the bathroom window and sat the exam. Somehow I passed (in fact got an A) but fell asleep on the bus on the way home and ended up in the depot. Got home, was like nothing had happened, even had a 'good luck in your exams' card on my bed. She later put an announcement in the local paper congratulating me and saying something like 'I have always been there to support you'. I tore the paper into tiny, tiny shreds and put it in the bin in the local park.

Broke up with my first ever boyfriend. Completely broken hearted, she aksed me 'what's THAT face for?'. I told her and she said, 'he probably thought he could do better than you.' and walked away. Sad

Back with boyfriend, I'm 16, he's at uni in the time before mobiles and email ( and no house phone in his flat). He would call me at a set time on a set day every week from a pay phone. One day the call never came. I fretted and fretted worrying that he'd dumped me or that something bad had happened to him. Eventually on my way to bed I picked up the phone receiver and there was no dialling tone, the phone had been unplugged. There was only me and her at home, and it was so hard to get it back in there was no way it could have fallen out. She had been completely 'normal', sympathetic even, most of the day, and she turned all 'well he's probably found someone else, i bet he's out with her'. I went to bed and cried under my duvet, feeling sad, angry and quite scared, she stormed in, pulled me out of bed by my hair and warned me I'd better shut up.

I was having a hard time at school, being bullied, i had no friends, cos I had no confidence, had shite clothes and just wasn't cool. Parents evening, mother very loudly asks PE teacher how I would go about a career in sport - teacher looks awkward, and confused, knowing a)I'm shite, and b)am not interested in sports. Said in full view of the kids who bullied me, mother starts roaring with laughter. They ripped the piss for weeks and weeks.

She was arguing with my dad once, and she started to punch and kick him, I tried to stop them and ran into the street screaming (aged 7ish) - neighbours came to help, calm the situation down and they kept saying she shouldn't be like that in front of me (she was threatening to slit his throat while he slept) and she just kept saying 'she has to learn, it's a lesson in life, she has to learn, it;s all part of growing up'

She would randomly leave what I can only describe as cryptic suicide notes for me to find. Of course she never did anything, but i lived in fear of it. still do.

House was a disgusting mess, stunk to high heaven, often had maggots in kitchen. I would frantically clean whenever i thought someone might come round (very rare as she had fallen out with everyone and I had no mates but i lived in fear of someone normal seeing how we lived). She rarely washed and quite frankly stunk. I would wash in secret using an old biscuit tin filled with water to wash in my bedroom and would handwash my school uniform and dry it on my radiator. Despite this should would often say in front of people that I stunk, had bad breath, should bath more etc etc.

Dad was killed in an accident at work when I was 11. We were pretty close, but all i felt was numb and scared at being left alone with her. For a while i slept with a chair wedged under my door handle to lock my door from inside because I seriously thought she might try to kill me while I slept.

I basically worked really hard at school, had loads of part time jobs to get me out of the house and I buggered off to uni as soon as I could and never went back, apart from the odd weekend to basically kept up the pretence that everything was ok. I saved and saved the money from my part time jobs (I had 5 during my a levels) and she would often 'borrow' from me and later deny it. I never got any lent money back.

I used to sob in my room watching home and away because I desperately wanted Pippa to foster me Shock

Basically i cut all ties with her years ago when she got the wrong end of the stick about my plans for mothers day and said something a long the lines of 'well it's a good job you hadn't forgotten because I would have been LIVID with you if you had'. We ended the conversation and I thought, well you can fuck off, i changed my number and shortly moved and she now has no idea where in the world i am. She initially sent me a few really nasty letters, but no attempt at reconciliation (not that I thought she would) but I still always kind of stupidly hope it might all go normal, like she might find me,hug me and apologise and we could be a normal family.

She has no idea about my dh or my dc - my kids are the main reason I haven't ever caved in under the guilt. I would NEVER, never, never let her anywhere near them.

She is skint, in poor health and has fallen out with everyone, family, friends, neighbours so is (or was last time I heard) a sad, lonely, bitter old woman. She doesn't have a nice word to say about anyone. when my dad died, people rallied round but she would bitch about each person to the another, make stuff up, and people basically worked out if she was so nasty about so and so who was actually a nice person, she was probably saying the same thing about them. and she was. I never blamed anyone for turning their back on us, i just missed their contact.

She very obviously has some mental health problems. I did tentatively try to help when I was a child - i told an on off friend of hers in secret about the notes and i told her GP she always seemed sad but no one ever wanted to help and i was a scared kid. I didn't know what else to do. Once a teacher took me aside and asked if everything was ok at home and i just said yes. I worried that i might get taken into care and that she would then kill herself.

Seems odd seeing it all written down. when i think about my own kids and the life i want for then, it seems clear to me that my childhood was wrong, awful, sad. But as it's all i know for me, it feels normal and I don't know if i deserved it, or caused it, or expected too much, which in itself sounds totally crazy.

And as she so clearly wasn't 'well' during all of this, should I still feel duty bound to look after her now?? Even though she made my life a living hell? I beat myself up about this a lot, but I actually don't feel i owe her anything (which is what I feel bad about, you hear so many stories, way worse that anything i had to put up with, and the people are then caring their dying evil fucker of a parent, and I wonder if that's what I should be doing). It's kind of only hypothetical anyway because there is no way she would have anything to do with me if i got in touch now.

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tiredlady · 22/09/2010 23:09

You sound as if you had a horrific childhood.
Ido not blame you one bit for cutting your mother out of your life.
She sounds possibly mentally ill, but poisonous,vindictive and incredibly cruel thrown in.

I would never contact her again.

You do not owe her anything at all

Keep her out of your life at all cost

tiredlady · 22/09/2010 23:10

And of course,what you suffered was most definitely abuse

kingprawntikka · 22/09/2010 23:11

Yes she was definitely abusive to you.. no way at all did you expect too much or were over sensitive.She failed in all her parental role, she failed to make you feel safe, loved, protected and happy.

I think to cut all ties with her was the right call and I don't think you should feel guilty about not being there for her now. In my book we don't owe people loyalty and love ... they earn it.

KaraStarbuckThrace · 22/09/2010 23:11

Yes I agree - it was abuse. Your DH and your DC are your family now.

So sorry you had to go through this, but you are a million miles better than her and have achieved something with your life.

Forget her!

SatanOnAScooter · 22/09/2010 23:11

Thank you, thank you thank you Tl. You don't know what it means to have someone say that to me.

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JaneS · 22/09/2010 23:12

Oh, my.

I'm sorry, I don't think I've taken all of this in, but you want the Relationships thread (specifically, if you're looking for specific advice, the 'Stately Homes' thread). There is no way you are being unreasonable, and no-one will think so.

I can't begin to imagine what you've gone through. However, I do know what you mean about the guilt because she isn't 'well'. Please tell yourself this is a response she's instilled in you, not something you need or ought to feel.

May I go out on a limb? It seems that you still want to please her - you still think about what it would be like if you stepped in in her time of need and made it all better. I think that makes you sound lovely, but it also sounds as if you want to have one last shot at making her acknowledge how nice you are.

Someone told me recently (and it is so true, and felt so good when I accepted it) that an abusive parent will never feel proud of you. If you stepped in to look after your ill mum, would she really turn around and think you were wonderful? I suspect not, but I can't tell, not knowing you.

I really hope you'll come and post in Relationships; AIBU is no place for this, and I'm so sad even beginning to think what you've gone through.

Iwantscallops · 22/09/2010 23:13

I have no experience of abuse but II would like to say what a lovely person you sound. You should not feel duty bound to look after her. You need to put all of your energy into looking after yourself and your family. Maybe counselling might help.

JaneS · 22/09/2010 23:14

Btw (I never get things right in one post!) - of course, she was abusive. You should feel proud that, after all of that, you still come across as such a nice person. But, there are patterns at work in people who're abused, and in my limited, leaning experience, the folk on the Relationships thread can help with explaining those.

tiredlady · 22/09/2010 23:17

Yes, the Stately Homes threads would be a better place to post this

You will get lots of sound advice on there from people who have been through similar expriences

Have you thought about seeing a therapist to talk about some of this with?

It's an immenese burden to carry through your life. Talking about it with a professional can help :)

SatanOnAScooter · 22/09/2010 23:17

Thank you so much everyone who hs posted. I've never looked in relationships before, will go and have a look now.

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neolara · 22/09/2010 23:18

God, that sounds horrific. You poor thing.

I don't think you should feel duty bound to look after her now. Your priority should be yourself and your own family. It sounds as it making contact would cause you enormous distress - a perfectly normal response to a truely horrible situation.

taintedpaint · 22/09/2010 23:18

Oh gosh, I couldn't read this and not respond. I just don't know what to say....

This was definitely abuse, please don't be in any doubt about that. What you went through was wrong. Mental health problems or not, your mother has very clearly been a blight on your life and I am so very sorry you ever had to go through any of that.

Whatever the reasons for her abusing you, you are not duty bound to take care of her. You are absolutely right, you don't owe her anything. I do understand why you feel like that. I have a situation a bit like yours (in that I have a parent 'in need' who treated me like crap) but my father was nowhere near as bad as your mum was. I still refuse to care for my dad. I don't think he'd appreciate my input anyway (last conversation I had with him he told me to 'fuck off and die'), but I wouldn't put myself through that even if he did let me through the front door. Some days I feel like I should be there, but I just know I would never get what I ultimately want from the situation (to have him love me).

Sorry for the slight hijack, just wanted to let you know that, in some small way, you are not alone.

I really wish I could say something to make this go away for you. I want to give you a hug right now, I'm just sad for you that you are having to think like this.

Some parents can be real assholes, can't they?

musicposy · 22/09/2010 23:19

You definitely had an abusive childhood - it sounds absolutely terrible. This is such a world away from what childhood should be, you probably can't imagine Sad.

Good on you for making a life with your own family and wanting to protect your own children from her.

Don't see her or make contact. Don't beat yourself up about it - you did the right thing. Your future is what matters now. Get all the help you can in dealing with the past so you can put it to bed and move on. Good luck. :)

dizietsma · 22/09/2010 23:19

I only read up the the GCSE incident and yes, she was a horrific abuser. I'm so sorry you had to go through all that Sad. You have no obligation to talk to or see her ever again. Anyone who abuses their child like your mum abused you instantly forfeits the privilege of parenthood.

LittleMissHissyFit · 22/09/2010 23:26

You poor, poor thing! You could be forgiven for never wanting to have your own family after enduring all that.

yes it was extreme abuse.

I hope the stately homes thread can help you. i hope that they help you see that the residual, in built guilt is normal, but that tbh, you need to make sure that you never ever have anything to to with her again.

i hope from the bottom of my heart that you can get through this and continue to thrive and prosper.

hester · 22/09/2010 23:26

Your post made me so sad. Of course it was abuse. You deserve huge credit for coming through this with your sanity, intelligence and compassion intact.

You know, of course, that the situation with your mother cannot be resolved. She will never give you what you need from her. And you will have to go on living with that. Don't be tempted to rescue her: just keep focusing on the family and the life you have now.

AnxiousLand · 22/09/2010 23:27

STAY AWAY
Have you thought about some therapy?
there is a book entitled 'something i am not' by Lucy beresford.
Join LBC radio onoline for a minimal fee - programme on family rifts is about this very thing.

You made the right decision att he time.
keep this so called mother of yours out of your life my darling.

You must be such a wonderful mother yourself as you know and REMEMBER how being unloved felt.

You would never inflict this pain on your own children and must have a marvellous communication with your own.

be proud that you DO recognise this as child abuse. it was not a dream. You did suffer because of your Mother.

Do not make excuses.

stop feeling guilty NOW
You might have done all you can to repair the relationship.

she was and IS at fault NOT YOU

YOU OWE HER NOTHING

You are under NO obligation to look after her in her old age.

NONE

DO U HEAR ME?

Yo ARE strong and a survivor and have built a life for yourself and are a responsible adult and parent.

STOP FEELING GUILTY

be gald you had the strengh to get away from her when you did and 8 years have passed and recognise how far you have come and how much better off you are away from her.

Seek therapy because you seriously need to KNOW you are in the right

All the best

you are a noraml clever lady xxx

mumonthenet · 22/09/2010 23:28

Your childhood was full of unspeakable abuse...I simply don't know what to say.

But one thing, it is a common experience for the victims of abusers to wonder if they are being unreasonable, expected too much, were to blame in some way....those sentiments are absolutely classic. The nature of abuse is that it is interspersed with "normal" experiences so that the victim has no benchmark and doubts their own perceptions.

It cannot be emphasised enough,

you are not being unreasonable,
you did not expect too much,
you are not too sensitive,
this was most definately abuse.

Take good care of yourself, you deserve it.

AnxiousLand · 22/09/2010 23:28

sorry for spelling mistakes x

loopyloops · 22/09/2010 23:29

Definitely abuse.

I had some similar things when I was growing up, and can completely relate to the emotions you're feeling now. Yes, your mother probably is mentally ill (sounds like bipolar to me) but you are not responsible for that. You did what you could, and now your life and that of your children is far more important than salvaging anything of hers.

I might go and look at the stately Homes one too, I had seen it but thought it was a cliquey thread for posh people!

You take care, and be proud of everything that you have achieved.

The last piece of advice that I would give you, is that it helps to talk. It might be worth considering telling your DH the details, and when your children are old enough they might like to know too. My brother and sister aren't open at all, and in my opinion suffer from it all a lot more than me. I am able to talk to almost anyone (too much probably) and I find that keeps me sane.

:) :) :) :)

laweaselmys · 22/09/2010 23:31

Yes it was abuse.

I don't post on stately homes but have before. I think you should be incredibly proud of all that you did to build your own life for your self. You sound fantastic, and brave! So don't doubt your decisions.

I know it is hard to know what to say to people who ask why you have cut contact with a parent. It's a good idea to remember that actually if you haven't been through it, it's genuinely impossible to understand what it is like to have a parent who genuinely does not want what's best for you, and would prefer you to suffer than be happy.

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HappySlapper · 22/09/2010 23:36

I am so sorry for those of you that have suffered such horrific experiences Sad

You are strong, strong women, I hope you're proud of youselves for coming out the other side.

OP - I would definitely NEVER contact her again. Not ever.

saintlydamemrsturnip · 22/09/2010 23:37

You poor thing.
Of course it was abuse. Awful abuse.Stay clear, mental health problems or not (I agree she almost certainly had some) they're not your problem to sort out.

I second whoever suggested therapy. So you have some time to talk to a third party about what happened and your father's death.

And I hope this doesn't sound patronising but well done for turning out so normal/self reflective/caring etc. You should be proud of your insight.

xx

imregular · 22/09/2010 23:38

Scooter. I was so sad to hear your story. It's horrific. The thought of you hand washing your little uniform by yourself just makes me feel so sad (thinking of DD doing that...)

You have come out of it now. You have walked away and amazingly you have built a nice life and found unconditional love. Good on you - you're amazing!

Yes, she sounds ill. But that is not something that you need to sort out or make amends for.

Life was so very very unfair to you. I am glad you are happy now.

Love your family - that's how you can make amends. And NEVER see her again. (I'm not usually of the 'cut ties' completely school btw)

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